From Usenet Big-8 Management Board
From: Tristan Miller <>
Newsgroups: news.groups.proposals,news.announce.newgroups
Subject: 2nd RFD: Remove - LAST CALL FOR COMMENTS
Followup-To: news.groups.proposals,news.groups
Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2024 15:00:45 EST
Message-ID: <uo42q2$12337$>

This is a formal Request for Discussion (RFD) to remove the moderated

The Big-8 Management Board plans to begin voting on this proposal
after five days.  Please offer any final discussion or comments before
the end of this waiting period.  Voting may take up to one week (7
days); a result will be posted following the end of the voting period.

Newsgroups Line:	Discussion of global domestic broadcast radio. 


Proponent: Tristan Miller <>

Charter: (r.r.b) will be for discussion of a wide
variety of subjects pertaining to the general arena of
entertainment/information radio.  While not specifically limited to
North American broadcasting, r.r.b will avoid dealing with
international (shortwave) broadcasts because this topic is already
being handled in

Valid subjects for discussion might include (but not be limited to);

1) Programming and formats
2) Technical and engineering matters
3) Concerns of smaller market stations
4) Innovations and legislation affecting the medium
    (and those attempting to enter it)
5) Radio's historical & cultural significance
6) Radio news coverage and it's impact on our nation and our world.
7) Audience input and ideas for improving the state of radio

Since is the only Usenet group pertaining to
domestic broadcast radio, r.r.b would provide a forum for those
individuals who's interest in the medium is not limited to the
non-commercial arena.  I believe this group would be of great interest
to Usenet participants because ...

1) Everybody listens to, and is affected by, radio broadcasting.  It
    is the only mass media in which one can fully participate, while
    engaged in another activity.

2) Colleges and universities currently train, and graduate, thousands
    of potential radio professionals every year.  These individuals
    would be very likely to participate in such a forum to discuss and
    compare notes on their chosen field of endeavor.

3) The face of radio is always changing. Satellite feeds, automation,
    and other influences are molding the future of the medium.  This
    newsgroup would be a link between interested parties from all
    corners of the industry, keeping one-another up to date on the
    latest trends impacting radio broadcasting in America an beyond.

Rationale for removal:

On 2021-10-02 the remaining moderation team of
announced that the newsgroup would no longer be active due to low
newsgroup activity and their belief that Usenet is obsolete.  The
announcement was posted to the newsgroup itself and to several related
venues, including the Radio Discussions blog and several broadcast
radio-related Facebook groups.  None of the replies to this
announcement suggested that any replacement moderators were likely to
step forward.  The moderation system was therefore shut down a few
weeks after the announcement and no new articles have been approved
since then.

It was suggested that there be a two-year "cooling off" period before
initiating any public discussion to formally remove the group from the
Big-8 hierarchy via an rmgroup, in part to allow extra time for any
replacement moderators to come forward.  However, in the last two
years, no prospective moderators have approached the the Big-8
Management Board.

Formally removing the group from the ISC active list will provide
wider public notification that it is no longer active.  This will
reduce the chance of people inadvertently posting to the group (and
possibly becoming confused about why their posts never pass
moderation).  It will also help ensure that the group is removed or
marked as read-only by news servers and gateways.

Discussion so far:

In response to the first RFD, Steve Bonine expressed concern that
removing the group would result in its historical posts being deleted
from news servers, since he had never heard of admins reacting to
rmgroups by marking groups as read-only. Tristan Miller and Jesse
Rehmer gave examples of two news servers that do handle rmgroups in
this way.  Steve and Jesse indicated that such examples were rare.
Marco Moock asked whether anyone had read or posted to the group in
the past two years, and Tristan confirmed that there had been no
successful posts.

No comments were received in response to the second RFD.

History of the Group:

1992-02-24: 1st RFD (create)
1992-03-30: 1st CFV
1992-04-09: 2nd CFV
1992-04-20: 3rd CFV
1992-05-01: Result: passes 234:34


Those who wish to comment on this request to remove this newsgroup
should subscribe to news:news.groups.proposals and participate in the
relevant threads in that newsgroup.

To this end, the followup header of this RFD has been set to

All discussion of active proposals should be posted to

If desired by the readership of closely affected groups, the
discussion may be crossposted to those groups, but care must be taken
to ensure that all discussion appears in news.groups.proposals as

For more information on the newsgroup removal process, please see

History of this RFD:

2023-12-01: 1st RFD (remove)
2023-12-22: 2nd RFD (remove)
2024-01-15: Final RFD / Last Call for Comments

Usenet Big-8 Management Board