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From: Big-8 Management Board <email@example.com> Subject: RFD sci.psychology.psychotherapy.moderated (remove) LAST CALL FOR COMMENTS Date: Wed, 5 May 2010 15:44:05 EDT Message-ID: <49qdnde1gPRlMXzWnZ2dnUVZ_vudnZ2d@supernews.com> This is a formal Request for Discussion (RFD) to remove the moderated newsgroup sci.psychology.psychotherapy.moderated. Newsgroups Line: Practice of psychotherapy. Moderated Distribution: news.announce.newgroups news.groups.proposals sci.psychology.psychotherapy.moderated sci.psychology.psychotherapy Proponent: Tim McNamara <firstname.lastname@example.org> (one of eight moderators). Charter: Overview: Sci.psychology.psychotherapy.moderated (hereinafter "sppm") exists as a forum for the discussion of psychotherapy. Anyone with an interest in such discussion is welcome. This would include practitioners of all types (psychologists, psychiatrists, marriage/family counselors, social workers, etc.), students of therapy, and therapy clientele. Appropriate and Inappropriate Posts: Some examples of topics appropriate for discussion in sppm include (but are not limited to) the following: * a particular type of psychotherapy (e.g., cognitive-behavioral, psychodynamic), or a comparison between two types. There will be no restrictions on the types of therapeutic modalities that are appropriate for discussion -- save for treatments that seem to have no obvious connection to psychology (e.g., palm-reading, crystals). The latter will not be accepted, unless a clear, plausible connection to psychology is made. * a particular psychological disorder (e.g., depression, eating disorder) * a particular psychological theory (e.g., object relations theory, learning theory), as it relates to the material of therapy * research relevant to psychotherapy * psychopharmacological (drug) or other biological treatments, as they relate to psychotherapy * diagnostic issues * therapist training and supervision * ethical issues faced by therapists * trends in practice (e.g., emerging or alternative modalities) * the relationship between psychotherapy and other fields of inquiry such as philosophy or religion (as long as the discussion remains focused on psychotherapy) * career issues (e.g., establishing a private practice, coping with managed care) * business related directly to psychotherapy (e.g., employment opportunities, equipment for sale) * case studies (if and only if client anonymity is ensured) * announcements and reports of meetings, conferences, and newsletters, including those put out by self-help organizations (please consider posting or cross-posting these to sci.psychology.announce, however) * requests for information about a specific problem. However, those looking for exchanges characteristic of a support group should seek out an actual support group, as sppm was not designed to serve that function. The following are inappropriate for sppm, and posts containing them will be rejected: * personal attacks, including allegations of professional misconduct (the latter should be brought to the attention of the appropriate authorities) * discussions which wander far from the topic of psychotherapy (including spam) * cross-posting to groups outside of the psychology topic area, unless the reason for crossposting is evident (e.g., cross-posting to a sci.med group when drug therapy is being discussed). Responses may be made to the same groups or a subset thereof without further justification. * gross violations of netiquette. These may include, for example, excessive repetition -- defined as more than 90% quoted material, or posting more frequently than once per month an article with more than 90% unchanged text (moderators may change these value in the future, if they find them to be unsatisfactory) -- or chronic misattribution of quoted text. Rationale for removal: sci.psychology.psychotherapy.moderated has had very little relevant traffic for the past 2 1/4 years. There were 15 posts in 2008, 9 posts in 2009 and 0 posts to date in 2010. Perhaps 1/3 to 1/2 of these recent posts have been forge-approved spam. Of the eight moderators, three have e-mail addresses that no longer work. Internal discussion among the moderators in late 2009 resulted in three of the moderators agreeing that the newsgroup no longer serves a purpose and the others remaining silent. On 2010-03-17 I sent a copy of the RFD to all the moderators and received no reply from any of them. It seems to me that the newsgroup and moderator system is pretty much defunct. Posting of the RFD resulted in no comments by any of the moderation team other than myself. The response to the RFD was 7 replies: one against removing the group, one for removal (other than myself) and the rest general discussion but trending towards removal. On 2010-03-29 I received an e-mail from Kimberly Barnard, one of the moderators, stating "I agree that the group should be removed. I would also like to see sppm removed as it is nothing but a spam trap." As of 2010-05-04 the last post to s.p.p.m was 34 days ago and was part of the RFD discussion. More than thirty days having passed since the posting of the RFD for removal, I am submitting a request for final discussion. History of the Group: sci.psychology.psychotherapy.moderated was proposed by John M. Grohol PsyD in response to chronic problems with certain abusive posters to sci.psychology.psychotherapy. The newsgroup was created 08/22/1997 and has had 2,240 posts in that time; there have been 24 posts in the past 27 months, perhaps 1/3 to 1/2 of those being forge-approved spam. Procedure: Those who wish to comment on this request to remove this newsgroup should subscribe to news:news.groups.proposals and participate in the relevant threads in that newsgroup. To this end, the followup header of this RFD has been set to news.groups.proposals. All discussion of active proposals should be posted to news.groups.proposals. If desired by the readership of closely affected groups, the discussion may be crossposted to those groups, but care must be taken to ensure that all discussion appears in news.groups.proposals as well. Please refer to the newsgroup removal policies listed here: http://www.big-8.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=policies:rmgroup All discussion of active proposals should be posted to news.groups.proposals. To this end, the followup header of this RFD has been set to news.groups.proposals. If desired by the readership of closely affected groups, the discussion may be crossposted to those groups, but care should be taken to ensure that all discussion appears in news.groups.proposals as well. The final comment period lasts for five (5) days from the time that this RFD is posted. History of this RFD: First proposal by Tim McNamara 2010-03-17, submitted to the sci.psychology.psychotherapy.moderated moderator's mailing list. Second proposal by Tim McNamara 2010-03-27, rejected due to needed corrections in the RFD. Third proposal by Tim McNamara 2010-03-29 with corrections. Request for final discussion by Tim McNamara 2010-05-04. Last call for comments 2010-05-05 by the Big Eight Management Board.