From Usenet Big-8 Management Board
From: The Big-8 Management Board <>
Subject: RESULT: soc.culture.pakistan.history will be removed
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan, soc.culture.pakistan.history,
 news.announce.newgroups, news.groups.proposals
Followup-To: news.groups.proposals
Date: Tue, 08 May 2007 23:09:14 -0500

              soc.culture.pakistan.history will be removed

The Last Call for Comments (LCC) on 01 May 2007 initiated a five-day
period for final comments.  Following the comment period, the Big-8
Management Board has decided by consensus to remove the newsgroup

This group will be removed on 11 May 2007.

RATIONALE: remove soc.culture.pakistan.history

Note: There are separate RFD's proposing the removal of
soc.culture.pakistan.moderated,, and
soc.culture.pakistan.history.  It is not necessary that all 3 groups
share the same fate.  It is conceivable that one group be removed, one
converted to an unmoderated status, and one assigned a new moderator.

The last approved article submitted to soc.culture.pakistan.history
occured in July 1997.  Over the next two years, there were about a
dozen approved articles cross-posted across the entire
soc.culture.pakistan hierarchy that were not specific to
soc.culture.pakistan.history. There also were continued posting of
FAQ's and similar materials.

If soc.culture.pakistan.history were removed, discussion of the
history of Pakistan could occur in the unmoderated
soc.culture.pakistan (SCP), and where topical, in the unmoderated
SCP.politics, SCP.religion, and SCP.sports.

Alternatives include:

(1) Removal of soc.culture.pakistan.history.

(2) Assignment of a new moderator.  It may be feasible to simply block
cross-posts and do spam filtering.

(3) Convert the group to an unmoderated status.  Because of its
sometimes volatile relations with neighboring states such as India and
Bangladesh (former East Pakistan), an unmoderated group may simply be
another group to include in a cross-posted thread that is disruptive
to the other groups.  It should also be noted that the group was
chartered to be an academic forum.

If the group is converted to an unmoderated status, an effort will
need to be made to get servers throughout the world to recognize the
change.  To this end, facilitators should be appointed, who can inform
users of the switch, encourage ISP's and NSP's to switch.  Errant
submissions should be directed to the facilitators so that they can
see that they are posted to the newsgroup.


The newsgroup soc.culture.pakistan.history was created in June 1996 as
part of a re-organization of the soc.culture.pakistan (SCP) hierarchy
that included creation of the moderated groups SCP.moderated,, and SCP.history; and the unmoderated groups
SCP.politics, SCP.religion, and SCP.sports.  The re-organization
required about 9 months, including a re-vote due to irregularites
during the first CFV.

The newsgroup soc.culture.pakistan was created in March 1990.  There
was a proposal to convert the group to a moderated status in February
1991, but it never proceeded to a vote.

During the one year active period of soc.culture.pakistan.history from
June 1996 to July 1997, there were roughly 50 threads per month.

The last approvals specific to soc.culture.pakistan.history were in
July 1997.  There were about a dozen approvals widely cross-posted
across the soc.culture.pakistan hierarchy the following year.  In
addition, there were continued posting of FAQ's and other guidelines
that continued through 2006.


This document has been posted to the following newsgroups:


The proponent will also post pointers to:



Jim Riley <>


2007-04-14     1st RFD
2007-05-01     2nd RFD/LCC
2007-05-08     Results (passes)