From Usenet Big-8 Management Board
From: Patrick Ashley Meuser"-Bianca" <>
Subject: 2nd RFD: sci.research.cybernetics
Newsgroups: alt.comp.convergence, news.announce.newgroups, alt.cyberspace,
 alt.comp, news.groups.proposals
Followup-To: news.groups.proposals
Date: Wed, 07 Feb 2007 09:01:47 -0600

                      REQUEST FOR DISCUSSION (RFD)
               unmoderated group sci.research.cybernetics

This is a formal Request For Discussion (RFD) for the creation of the
unmoderated Usenet newsgroup, sci.research.cybernetics.

NEWSGROUPS LINE: sci.research.cybernetics

sci.research.cybernetics	Systems theory in command and control.

RATIONALE: sci.research.cybernetics

The study of cybernetics is a vast field.  Its discussion is held on
many de-centralized servers on the Internet.  Many people have who have a
general interest in the field may not know where to go.  The Usenet is an
ideal mechansism for the stadardization as such an avenue that is central to
the interests of people who are seeking a place to build or extend their
interests in the field.  If this group is created, it will provide such an
avenue for the general purpose of research and development where its
readers would find pointers to a cyber-space that is formed in cybernetics.
Other groups such as, and comp.research.robotics are generally too
specific for that which comprises an understanding of it.  Cross-posts may
be frequent where someone who is developing a systems theory is forced to
look in multiple places for support.  Often, the philosophical aspects
that cybernetics encompasses does not have such an avenue on the Usenet.
It would be the purpose of this group to pick up from where many other
message boards have left off whereas the ease of use that the Usenet
affords, would extend itself to the multi-client environment in which
Usenet interfaces have taken shape.  This group would cross-culminate
such interests as a place to delve into not only the philosophy, but also
the aspects in general that would make a holisitic forum for cybernetics
research possible. This group would finally solve the problem of finding
a central place for the study to form in order to find the Usenet
as such a forum.


Cybernetics is the study of communications and control systems in
economics, ecology, technology, biology, physiology, ecology, psychology,
sociology, anthropology, and robotics.  The term derives from the Greek
Kybernetes meaning steersmanship or helmsman, first coined by Norbert
Weiner at the Macy conference in the 1940's.  This group is to encompass
the science of cybernetics at degrees to which society and the humanities
form a synergy with technology on the Internet.  The concept of a society
or, advancement in the humanities for instance, serves as the drive for
this school of thought, as the philosophy in these fields serves a basis
for this group's purpose; namely, to exist on the Internet as a forum for
discussion ranging in control systems and feed-back loops, to programming
machine intelligence and cipher theory as its aggregates could be
modelled.  It is the responsibility of the poster to maintain interest
in messages and threads.

The focus of this group is the investigation and examination of cybernetics
in a forum for formal research involving cybernetics as a science.  The
purpose of this group is to establish the ground set by other groups
with similar focus.  The science and research of cybernetics focuses on
differences in technological fields where the development of command and
control, communications, guidance, vision, and robotics all apply -- for
participants who are into developing interests as the main areas in
cybernetics. This group is to promote commercial and scientific awareness
generally serving in the betterment of humanity with technology.  Commercial
involvement, as the development of theory, algorithms, heuristic, and
engrams are encouraged as the primitives of this group, in forming a base
for developing systems theory as the object of its subscribers.  The goal
is to join such circles to introduce the science of cybernetics as a
holistic avenue for its research and development.


For more information on the newsgroup creation process, please see:

Those who wish to influence the development of this RFD and its final
resolution should subscribe to news.groups.proposals and participate in the
relevant threads in that newsgroup.  This is both a courtesy to groups in
which discussion of creating a new group is off-topic as well as the best
method of making sure that one's comments or criticisms are heard.

All discussion of active proposals should be posted to news.groups.proposals.
To this end, the 'Followup-To' header of this RFD has been set to this group.

If desired by the readership of closely affected groups, the discussion
may be crossposted to those groups, but care must be taken to ensure
that all discussion appears in news.groups.proposals as well.

We urge those who would like to read or post in the proposed newsgroup
to make a comment to that effect in this thread; we ask proponents to
keep a list of such positive posts with the relevant message ID
(e.g., Barney Fife, <>).
Such lists of positive feedback for the proposal may constitute good
evidence that the group will be well-used if it is created.


This document has been posted to the following newsgroups:


The proponent will also post pointers to: (moderated) (moderated)
  comp.robotics.research (moderated)


Patrick Ashley Meuser"-Bianca" <>


2007-01-31     1st RFD
2007-02-07     2nd RFD (was sci.cybernetics)