From Usenet Big-8 Management Board
From: "Paul W. Schleck, K3FU" <>
Subject: 2nd RFD: moderated
Newsgroups:, news.announce.newgroups,, news.groups.proposals,
Followup-To: news.groups.proposals
Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2007 10:25:26 -0600

                      REQUEST FOR DISCUSSION (RFD)
              moderated group

This is a formal Request For Discussion (RFD) for the creation of the
moderated Usenet newsgroup,

NEWSGROUPS LINE:	Amateur radio practices, rules, etc. (Moderated)

RATIONALE: is a moderated alternative to the existing and newsgroups.  The newsgroup is chartered to discuss amateur ("ham")
radio practices, contents, events, rules, etc., including anything
related to amateur radio not specifically covered by another* newsgroup.  The newsgroup
is chartered to discuss ham radio rules, regulations, and policy.  Over
the past several years, the traffic on both groups has become largely
flame wars, spam, and personal ad-hominem discussions of past, present,
and future violations and violators, having little or no bearing on
amateur radio.  Polite requests by serious group posters to the
offenders to refrain from such behavior have not resulted in elimination
of such behavior and has in fact resulted in another series of flame
wars.  As a result, many knowledgeable and concerned posters in both
groups have ceased being active therein.

Prior to the deterioration of and, both groups had active discussion of their
chartered topics.  It is expected that offering a moderated group will
persuade those who formerly participated to resume their participation
in rational, focussed, and informed discussion.  Proper moderation will
enable serious postings to the group to remain on topic while not
limiting who can voice opinions or what opinions can be voiced.

Combining the topics of the unmoderated and newsgroups into a single moderated newsgroup is
offered as the most practical solution for both the moderators and the
participants at this time.  Followup discussion in response to the 1st
RFD indicated that there was significant and strongly-held opinions in
favor of either opening up the proposed newsgroup to all amateur radio
topics, or changing the name to reflect a misc+policy scope only.  In
addition to the, and
newsgroups, there has also been recent discussion about moderation in and  As a result,
pointers to this 2nd RFD will be posted to those additional newsgroups.
In particular, some consensus about alternatives is being actively
solicited at this time.  The main alternatives are:

1.  Make an all-encompassing moderated amateur
    radio discussion newsgroup.

2.  Keep the topics focused on misc and policy, and come up with a
    better name for our proposed misc+policy moderated amateur radio
    discussion newsgroup.

Alternative #2 then branches out to two possible outcomes:

2.a.  Create additional moderated newsgroups for other topics, like
      .antenna and .dx, now or in the future.

2.b.  No one steps forward to create additional moderated newsgroups,
      and the other topics continue unmoderated.

Alternative #1 does not rule out the creation of additional moderated
newsgroups in the future, though there is the valid point that
alternative #2 fixes the name-space problem immediately for future
growth, and would not have to be revisited.

Alternative #2 requires a suitable name.  The name of was suggested by Kathy Morgan.

One argument in favor of alternative #1 is:

 - It may not be realistic to expect that, even if strongly desired,
   additional moderated newsgroups for other topics are going to emerge
   anytime soon, or at all.

Our moderation team does not intend to moderate more than 1 or 2
discussion newsgroups.  We also do not feel that, as a whole, we are
deep enough experts in the somewhat advanced-level topics of antennas
and dx to effectively vet appropriate articles for those topics.

In followup discussion for this 2nd RFD, we would like to try and
separate mere opinions from realistic plans/intentions to add additional
moderated discussion newsgroups for*.  Alternatively,
it may be the case that those newsgroups' readership may not favor such
new moderated newsgroups, and either defer to ours, or retain their
topic discussions in the existing unmoderated newsgroups.

CHARTER: is for the discussion of amateur ("ham")
radio, also known as the Amateur Radio Service, as defined in Federal
Communications Commission Regulations and U.S. Law (47 CFR Part 97), and
in similar laws and regulations in other countries, based on
international treaty.  It is not limited to the rules of any one country
or time period.  Possible topics include past, present, and future
operating practices; events; contests; past, present, and
potential-future rules; power limitations; authorized frequencies;
allowed modes and band plans (or other gentlemen's agreements) that
govern how we are to operate; what constitutes the acceptable operation
of amateur stations.

The newsgroup is intended to be international in scope, not just for
amateurs in the United States.  It is, however, intended as an
English-language forum, by custom and practice.  As with General
Aviation and other internationally-scoped endeavors, the Amateur Radio
Service has a strong custom of the use of English and the Latin
alphabet.  Discussion of amateur radio in languages other than English
also occurs in many country- and region-specific hierarchies, many of
which have specific amateur radio newsgroups, including:

de.* (Germany)
dk.* (Denmark)
es.* (Spain)
fr.* (France)
nl.* (Netherlands)
pl.* (Poland)
pt.* (Portugal)
relcom.* (Russia)

This newsgroup is only intended to supplement, not supersede, any other
amateur radio newsgroups.

General communications law or government policy of various government
agencies is also on-topic, as long as the discussion relates to amateur
radio.  Examples would be emergency communications, local antenna
restrictions, and property deed restrictions applying to operation of
amateur radio stations.

Discussion of other type of radio, such as Citizens Band, Broadcast,
other Personal Radio Services, Commercial or Private Land Mobile, and
Marine or Aviation services are off-topic, except when *directly*
related to amateur radio.  Similarly, discussion of methods violating
applicable communication law and regulations concerning radio equipment or
operations are off-topic.

The following are prohibited:

  * Personal advertisements (submitters of such articles will be
    referred to, instead).
  * Commercial advertisements and money-making schemes.
  * Chain letters.
  * Posts in HTML.
  * EMP spam.
  * Binaries, apart from PGP signatures, X-Face headers, and other
    ancillary article meta-data.
  * Forgery of valid e-mail addresses.
  * Excessive morphing/nym-shifting.
  * Copyright violations.  Pointers to news articles, blogs, etc. on
    this topic are welcome but are required to comply with fair use
  * Personal attacks and flames, as defined by the moderation team.
  * Advertising items and/or services for sale.
  * Links to "objectionable" web content, including pornographic sites,
    sites encouraging illegal activities, or sites deemed unacceptable
    by the moderation team.  The moderation team will cursorily check
    the contents of specific links to confirm on-topic content, but
    acceptance for posting does not imply endorsement or approval of
    the entire present or future contents of that web site.
  * Discussion of moderation decisions.  See below for information on
    appealing moderator action.


Amateur Radio Newsgroups in Total Meltdown (QRZ);act=ST;f=7;t=119282

Amateur Radio Newsgroups: Total Meltdown (eHam)

Secure, Team-Based Usenet Moderation Program (STUMP)


A moderation robot will scan all submitted posts.  Each post will be
either automatically approved, rejected, or sent to the moderators for
manual review.  The moderator 'bot will enforce the following guidelines:

  * Crossposting is generally not allowed, with the general exception of
    crossposts of bulletins, FAQ's, and other informational articles to, rec.answers, and news.answers.  Infrequent
    administrative crossposts may occasionally be allowed at the sole
    discretion of the moderator.

  * Postings must be in plain text. In particular no HTML or mixed text
    and HTML posts will be allowed.  Messages that are
    multipart/alternative will be automatically filtered to pass just
    the text/plain version to the newsgroup.

  * No binary postings of any sort will be accepted.  Exceptions will be
    made for cryptographic signatures and such.

  * Messages must not have a 'Followup-To' header that points out of (other than to "poster").

  * Messages must not continue a thread that has been "closed" by the

Individual posters may be temporarily banned for consistently violating
the group charter.  Posters who feel that their posts have been unfairly
rejected or banned, either for specific content or by a specific
moderator, may appeal the decision.  They may do so by contacting the
Appeals Board, consisting of a rotating group of 2 or more moderators,
at the Administrative Contact address below.  The Board will discuss and
vote on the appeal and respond within 14 days if the appeal is
successful.  The Board will also reply within 14 days to unsuccessful
submitters of any appeal that is on-topic, reasoned, civilly stated, and
is not substantially an attempt to revisit the subject matter and
arguments of a previous unsuccessful appeal.

Multiple temporary bans, attempting to circumvent the ban, or abuse of the
appeal system may result in a permanent ban.


Moderator:                Paul W. Schleck, K3FU <>
Moderator:                Bob Diepenbrock, KC4UAI <>
Moderator:                Jack Cook, VK2CJC <>
Moderator:                Jim Hampton, AA2QA <>
Moderator:                Ace Ratliff, WH2T <>
Moderator:                Jeff Angus, WA6FWI <>
Moderator:                Hans Brakob, K0HB <>

In addition, the Moderation Team will
utilize the expertise of the following consultants:

Consultant:               Cecil A. Moore, W5DXP   <>
Consultant:               Phil Kane, K2ASP        <>
Consultant:               Brian Short, K7ON       <>

The moderators are seeking additional candidates for the moderation team
in order to ensure minimal posting delays and to avoid any appearance of
bias.  We would especially like to find moderators in other time zones,
countries/continents, etc.

Article Submissions:
Administrative Contact:


For more information on the newsgroup creation process, please see:

Those who wish to influence the development of this RFD and its final
resolution should subscribe to news.groups.proposals and participate in the
relevant threads in that newsgroup.  This is both a courtesy to groups in
which discussion of creating a new group is off-topic as well as the best
method of making sure that one's comments or criticisms are heard.

All discussion of active proposals should be posted to news.groups.proposals.
To this end, the 'Followup-To' header of this RFD has been set to this group.

If desired by the readership of closely affected groups, the discussion
may be crossposted to those groups, but care must be taken to ensure
that all discussion appears in news.groups.proposals as well.

We urge those who would like to read or post in the proposed newsgroup
to make a comment to that effect in this thread; we ask proponents to
keep a list of such positive posts with the relevant message ID
(e.g., Barney Fife, <>).
Such lists of positive feedback for the proposal may constitute good
evidence that the group will be well-used if it is created.


This document has been posted to the following newsgroups:


The proponent will also post pointers to:


"Paul W. Schleck, K3FU" <>


2007-01-10     1st RFD
2007-01-25     2nd RFD