From Usenet Big-8 Management Board
From: John Corliss <rtd3ws at yahoo dot com>
Subject: RFD:
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Followup-To: news.groups
Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2006 14:04:46 -0800

                      REQUEST FOR DISCUSSION (RFD)
               unmoderated group

This is a formal Request For Discussion (RFD) for the creation of the
unmoderated Usenet newsgroup,

NEWSGROUPS LINE:	Polaris Victory motorcycle rides, tech, resources.


To promote the safe use of Victory motorcycles as well as to better
develop social connections among Victory riders, it's vital for owners
to be able to easily exchange information on a world-wide basis and this
newsgroup will fill that need.

There are a several online forums available for discussing Victory

...but many of them are more or less regionally limited, require
registration or membership, and-or are difficult to find.

Usenet motorcycle newsgroups are generally for the discussion of
other makes of motorcycles and-or the participant communicates in
non-English languages. The group is an exception but is
too generalized and far too active (currently well over 100,000 posts
have been made in that group and the rate is well over 200 posts a day.)

Although might work for an occasional question,
getting a useful answer to a question from another Victory owner is much
less likely due to the vast readership.

Ownership and interest in Victory motorcyles has grown to the point
where there will be adequate interest to support a make-specific
newsgroup. This would be similar to the way rec.motorcyles.harley serves
the community of those interested in Harley Davidson motorcyles.

Based on the topic alone, there would be no (or at least very little)
overlap with other motorcycle groups and would
be easy to locate for Victory owners who are usenet savvy.


2006-10-29 analysis of existing motorcycle newsgroup activity is as follows:

GROUP NAME                                    CURRENT ARTICLE COUNT                                    6                                  62                                     69                                        70                                             72                                       130
pa.motorcycle                                             309                                            376                                     459                                       618                                            760                         874                           1096
r                                      1431                                   1536                                          1784                                       2985              3758                 8052                                   9740                                  14724                                         14872                                          19484
otimotorcycles                                          21411                                    22189                              25085                                  30582                                          50340
tw.bbs.rec.motorcycle                                   55328
alt.motorcycle.sportbike                                89004                                   122735                                        150446                                 229118                                        281282                                     702114

CHARTER: is for discussion of all aspects of Polaris
Victory motorcycles, hereafter referred to simply as "Victory"
motorcycles. Topics include technical discussion, ride reports, product
and new model reviews and announcements of upcoming rides.

Posters are expected to abide by normal Usenet standards of decorum (for
example, lurking a while before posting, etc.) and to refrain from
sending, as well as ignore, articles intended to disrupt the group.
Bottom posting will be the norm.

Examples of inappropriate posts are the following:

  * Off topic articles, including:
     - Commercial advertisements
     - Personal advertisements not related to Victory motorcycles
     - General discussions not related to Victory motorcycles
     - Money-making schemes
     - Chain letters
     - EMP AKA "excessive multiple posting" spam

  * Articles with unacceptable content, such as:
     - HTML
     - Copyright violations
     - Excessive quoting
     - Threats and/or advocation of violence
     - Binaries, except PGP signatures, X-Face headers, and other
       ancillary meta-data

  * Attempts to subvert message filtering or to pretend to be somebody
    else, such as:
     - Forgery or imitation of a valid e-mail address
     - Excessive morphing/nym-shifting AKA "using sock puppets"

The group will be unmoderated and will not be gated to a mailing list.


For more information on the newsgroup creation process, please see:

Those who wish to influence the development of this RFD and its final
resolution should subscribe to news.groups and participate in the
relevant threads in that newsgroup.  This is both a courtesy to groups
in which discussion of creating a new group is off-topic as well as the
best method of making sure that one's comments or criticisms are heard.

All discussion of active proposals should be posted to news.groups.

To this end, the followup header of this RFD has been set to

If desired by the readership of closely affected groups, the discussion
may be crossposted to those groups, but care must be taken to ensure
that all discussion appears in news.groups as well.


This document has been posted to the following newsgroups:


The proponent will also post pointers to:


John Corliss <rtd3ws at yahoo dot com>


2006-10-30     1st RFD