From Usenet Big-8 Management Board
From: (The Big-8 Management Board)
Subject: 3rd RFD: remove comp.lang.lisp.franz (LAST CALL FOR COMMENTS)
Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups, news.groups, comp.lang.lisp.franz,
Followup-To: news.groups
Date: Tue, 08 Aug 2006 13:13:45 -0700

                      REQUEST FOR DISCUSSION (RFD)
                      remove comp.lang.lisp.franz

This is a formal Request For Discussion (RFD) to remove the unmoderated
newsgroup comp.lang.lisp.franz.


The B8MB plans to begin voting on this proposal after five days.  Please
offer any final discussion or comments before the end of this waiting
period.  Voting may take up to one week (7 days); a result will be posted
following the end of the voting period.

All discussion of this proposal should be posted to news.groups.

The full (draft) group removal procedure is documented here:


The only comment made was that any discussion in comp.lang.lisp.franz
was likely about Allegro CL, a Common Lisp implementation from Franz;
rather than about Franz Lisp (also from Franz).  A quick Google searched
show almost all discussion about Allegro occurred in comp.lang.lisp.

The Allegro CL discussion is off-topic in comp.lang.lisp.franz, but on
topic in comp.lang.lisp, where almost all of it occurs.  Discussion of
Franz Lisp is virtually non-existent, but on-topic in both groups.

RATIONALE: remove comp.lang.lisp.franz

comp.lang.lisp.franz has had 5 apparently on-topic messages in the past
11 months.  Only one received a response.  Any Franz-specific discussion
can be conducted in comp.lang.lisp.

This RFD is part of a proposal to remove 31 low-traffic former-INET
groups.  Please see article <>, available here:

Note: the proposal to remove two of the 31 groups, comp.os.rsts and
comp.std.announce, has been withdrawn.


comp.lang.lisp.franz has existed as an INET group since at least 1987.  It was
promoted to the standard Big 8 distribution in October 2000.


This document has been posted to the following newsgroups:



Jim Riley <>


2006-08-08     3rd RFD (Last call for Comments)
2006-07-13     2nd ("comprehensive") RFD
2006-07-06     1st RFD