How to post messages to news.newusers.questions

From Usenet Big-8 Management Board

If you want to post an article to the news.newusers.questions news.newusers.questions on Google Groups newsgroup (nnq), or if you have tried to post an article to nnq and it was returned to you by email, or it has not appeared on your news server after a day or two, then you should read this article to find out what to do.

News articles posted to moderated newsgroups first travel as email messages to a moderation address. Most news server software will send messages posted to a moderated newsgroup to the appropriate moderation address automatically, but if you need it, nnq@nan.users.panix.com is the moderation address for nnq.

Messages arriving at the nnq moderation address are scanned by a human moderator and/or by a software package (or "robot moderator"). This is to allow messages appropriate for nnq to be posted, and to try to return other messages to their senders.

If your message is returned to you by a moderator, there are several possibilities:

  • the content of the message is not appropriate for nnq
  • the content is appropriate, but the form is not appropriate
  • both the content and form of the message are appropriate for nnq, but the robot returns your message anyway


Content issues

If the overall content of your message is not appropriate for nnq, then do not try to post it to nnq again. Instead consider sending it to a more appropriate newsgroup, or by direct email to an individual correspondent.

Format issues

If the overall content of your message is appropriate for nnq, and you want to edit the message and re-send it to the moderators, be sure to delete anything "extra", such as:

  • any quoted text that is not part of a question or answer or that is not needed to make the question or answer understandable
  • any text sent by the robot
  • any copies of the nnq "footer".

Resend the message to the nnq submission address, which is nnq@nan.users.panix.com.

Appealing rejections

If a moderator continues to return your message to you, and you think the message is appropriate for nnq and should have been approved, you can send your message to the appeal address (nnq-request@nan.users.panix.com) for a human moderator to review.

Allow a day or two to get a result.

Possible problems with news.newusers.questions

If your message has not appeared on your news server within a day or two after you sent it, and it has not been returned to you by a moderator, then there may be some other sort of problem:

  • The message was posted by a moderator, but has not yet arrived at your news server.
    • Look at the Date: headers on the most recently arrived messages in nnq at your news server.
    • Look at the Date: headers on the most recently arrived messages in nnq at Google Groups.
    • Look for your message, while you’re there.
  • A moderator tried to return your message by email, but could not reach the address you provided.
    • Send a test email message to yourself from your news reading program (or from your web browser, if you use that to read news).
    • When you get the test message, reply to it, using a built-in reply command.
    • If your reply does not come back to your address, you may have configured your address incorrectly in whatever software you used to send the original test, or your Internet service provider may be having a problem.
  • There may be some problem affecting Internet traffic between your computer and the nnq moderation platform.
    • Look for announcements of problems recently posted to nnq.
    • Look for your message, while you’re there.
  • The nnq moderation platform may not be working.
    • Look for announcements of problems recently posted to nnq.
    • Look for your message, while you’re there.

What is inappropriate for nnq?

Below is a selection of items not appropriate for nnq. ("Relevant" in this context means "that contributes to educating or informing new users".)

Test articles

You should post test messages only to a newsgroup specifically dedicated to testing, such as to misc.test misc.test on Google Groups or to a local test group.

Test newsgroups may be watched by robots that send you an automatic response, showing that your message reached those distant computers.

Articles with no subject

Supply short, clear, descriptive Subject: lines for your articles. Avoid subject lines like "Help" or "Question" or "How do I do this?".

The more specific the better. "Help with Worldnet and US Robotics Modem" is a good example of a clear subject line.

Duplicate or rapidly reposted messages

You may have sent the article more than once. Only click the Send button once.

Please do not post your question many times under different subject lines. Due to the nature of moderation, your message has to travel to the moderation site by email, and then back to your site by news transport — allow from a few hours to a day for this trip.

If the duplicate articles were returned to you, the first article sent may have already been posted. Look for it in news.newusers.questions news.newusers.questions on Google Groups before sending that article again.

Articles containing significantly more quoted than new content

Delete some or all of the previously posted material.

People reading a "thread" of articles will see the previous message before they see your reply, so you do not need to quote the entire previous message. Delete the sections you aren't directly responding to.

Chain letters, including "Make Money Fast" articles

Chain letters ask you to send money to a list of addresses, and they imply that other people will send money to you.

Do not post chain letters on the Internet — they are illegal in many places and fraudulent everywhere.

Known hoaxes (like the "Good Times Virus")

Email messages that encourage you to "pass this along" or "tell all your friends" are almost always a hoax or rumor.

Research the message before sending any unconfirmed warning to anyone.

Irrelevant questions or conversation

You should explore other newsgroups and mailing lists to discuss any topics which are not appropriate for nnq, or use direct email to carry on personal conversations.

Keep in mind that every message posted to worldwide net newsgroups is stored on tens of thousands of machines, and may be archived for decades at some sites.

Personal introductions or requests for email

  • For general or miscellaneous socializing, explore the newsgroup soc.misc soc.misc on Google Groups.
  • For penpals, explore the newsgroup soc.penpals soc.penpals on Google Groups, but read the group for a week or two before posting a penpal request.
  • If you are looking for a relationship that involves more than exchanging email with a penpal, explore the following groups:

Excessively long articles (more than approximately 200 lines)

Make the content available on a website or an FTP server instead.

If the content covers the same topics as a newsgroup or mailing list, you may want to post its URI, e.g. http://www.example.com/Alice/Large_File.txt, together with a brief description of the site, to an appropriate newsgroup or mailing list. Post the URI to nnq only if the content is appropriate for nnq.

Articles that do not primarily consist of readable text

Anything posted to an English-language newsgroup should be plainly readable by anyone who reads news using an English-language setup, regardless of what software or hardware they otherwise use.

Do not attach or include HTML, word-processing, picture or sound files in messages; many people cannot read them. Handle such files like long articles — do not post the file to nnq, but either to a website, an FTP server or a relevant binary (e.g. alt.binaries.*) newsgroup.

To reach the widest possible audience, use plain text formatted to 72 columns or less. This is in order to accommodate a few quotation indicators (e.g. > > ) before reaching the 80-column width that is the maximum for many newsreaders.

In nnq and most other Big Eight (comp, humanities, misc, news, rec, sci, soc, talk) newsgroups, use ASCII text. In newsgroups where a different character set is needed (e.g. de, fr, ru), use Latin-1 (ISO/IEC 8859-1), or whatever is necessary to be compatible with the character sets people in those hierarchies use.

Articles crossposted to several newsgroups

Only FAQ documents (articles with answers to frequently asked questions) should be crossposted to nnq.

Set your newsreader to display the Newsgroups: and Followup-To: headers.

If an article is cross-posted to many newsgroups, and you are angered by the article, consider that it may have been cross-posted deliberately in the hope of provoking angry responses. Don't fall into the trap of replying furiously to such a "troll" — learn to spot them and ignore them instead of giving them the satisfaction of seeing angry replies.

Try to post to only one newsgroup. If you must post to several groups, crosspost to the smallest possible set of appropriate newsgroups, and use a Followup-To: header to direct any responses either to yourself by email, or to exactly one of the newsgroups you are crossposting to.

If you want to suggest that replies to your posted article should be emailed to you, add this to your message headers: Followup-To: poster If you want to suggest that responses be posted to a newsgroup, supply that newsgroup name, such as: Followup-To: news.newusers.questions

Articles posted as separate copies to many newsgroups

Posting the same article to many groups separately is sometimes called EMP (excessive multi-posting).

Either pick one appropriate newsgroup to post to, or learn how to crosspost to appropriate newsgroups that accept crossposted articles.

Announcements and commercial messages

Many newsgroups have a strong non-commercial tradition. Advertisements of any kind are expected to be found only in the few newsgroups or other places where they are appropriate. This includes announcements of non-relevant Web pages, announcements of non-relevant services, articles offering items for sale, and commercial advertisements.

  • For services or items only available locally, explore your local hierarchy. Look for a newsgroup called local.forsale or a similar name, and post there.
  • Other newsgroups and hierarchies to explore include misc.jobs.misc misc.jobs.misc on Google Groups and biz.general biz.general on Google Groups.


Offering products or services on a web page that you announce to the world is more effective than posting advertisements to newsgroups.

Additional information

Please refer to the charter and to the administrative statement.

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