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Jim Riley has done many studies showing that a very large number of newsgroups are abandoned.  Removing groups through the rmgroup control message has not been done for many years.  There are serious doubts about how much cooperation the B8MB finds from news administrators when such rmgroup control messages are sent.  Nevertheless, the Big-8 Management Board believes that it is in the interests of the Big 8 to remove unused and abandoned groups from the [[Checkgroups|canonical list]].
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Though it is uncertain how many news administrators still comply with the rmgroup control messages used to remove newsgroups, the Big-8 Management Board believes that it is in the interests of the Big 8 to remove unused and abandoned groups from the [[Checkgroups|canonical list]].  This is particularly true for abandoned moderated newsgroups, since submitted posts simply vanish without explanation, much to the confusion or frustration of users.
  
 
We are looking for volunteers to serve on the [[Dead Groups Task Force]].
 
We are looking for volunteers to serve on the [[Dead Groups Task Force]].
  
See also [[Nan:2007-10-02-low-traffic-result|RESULT: policy for removing extremely-low-traffic unmoderated groups passes]].
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== Unmoderated newsgroups ==
  
== Outline of Procedure ==
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=== Annual cull ===
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In 2007 the Board adopted a '''[[Nan:2007-10-02-low-traffic-result|policy for removing extremely low-traffic unmoderated groups]]'''.  The relevant procedures are summarized as follows:
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1. '''Determine candidate groups.''' Once per year, the Board makes a call in [[news.announce.newgroups]] for traffic data on low traffic groups.  Interested individuals may respond to the call.  The Board uses its discretion to determine which groups merit further consideration, subject to certain constraints.  The Board then posts an announcement to [[news.announce.newgroups]] and [[news.groups.proposals]] listing the groups under consideration and the procedure for discussion.  The list and procedure is discussed for at least 7 days in [[news.groups.proposals]], after which the Board may remove groups from the list or modify the proposed procedure.
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2. '''User feedback for candidate groups.''' The Board posts an article to each candidate group to solicit feedback on the proposed removal and to indicate where this feedback is to be submitted.  The feedback period lasts at least 21 days and no more than 42 days.
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3. '''Finalize list of groups to be removed.''' The Board uses its discretion to determine which candidate groups are to be removed.  The Board posts an announcement to [[news.announce.newgroups]] and [[news.groups.proposals]] listing these groups and the procedure for discussion.  The list and procedure is discussed for at least 5 days in [[news.groups.proposals]], after which the Board may remove groups from the list.
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4. '''Removal of groups.''' The Board issues the necessary rmgroup control messages and removes the groups from [[checkgroups]] and other lists of Big-8 groups.
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=== Ad-hoc removals ===
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Unmoderated groups may also be removed on an ad-hoc basis due to extremely low traffic or for other reasons that the Board deems valid.  In this case, the procedures for removing groups are as follows.
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==== Removing individual groups ====
  
 
1. A proponent submits a [[Group Removal RFD]] to [[news.announce.newgroups]].
 
1. A proponent submits a [[Group Removal RFD]] to [[news.announce.newgroups]].
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4. The RFD is revised as needed.
 
4. The RFD is revised as needed.
  
5. When the proponent and the Board agree that no further revisions or research are required, the Board schedules a vote on the RFD.
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5. When the proponent and the Board agree that no further revisions or research are required, the Board schedules an internal vote on the RFD.
  
 
6. If the proposal to remove the group is endorsed by the Board, the [[Technical Team]] implements the decision.
 
6. If the proposal to remove the group is endorsed by the Board, the [[Technical Team]] implements the decision.
  
=== Special Case: Removing Groups of Groups ===
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==== Removing groups en masse ====
  
 
1. The proponent posts a comprehensive [[Group Removal RFD]] to [[news.announce.newgroups]] and [[news.groups.proposals]].
 
1. The proponent posts a comprehensive [[Group Removal RFD]] to [[news.announce.newgroups]] and [[news.groups.proposals]].

Revision as of 15:28, 18 February 2022

Though it is uncertain how many news administrators still comply with the rmgroup control messages used to remove newsgroups, the Big-8 Management Board believes that it is in the interests of the Big 8 to remove unused and abandoned groups from the canonical list. This is particularly true for abandoned moderated newsgroups, since submitted posts simply vanish without explanation, much to the confusion or frustration of users.

We are looking for volunteers to serve on the Dead Groups Task Force.

Unmoderated newsgroups

Annual cull

In 2007 the Board adopted a policy for removing extremely low-traffic unmoderated groups. The relevant procedures are summarized as follows:

1. Determine candidate groups. Once per year, the Board makes a call in news.announce.newgroups for traffic data on low traffic groups. Interested individuals may respond to the call. The Board uses its discretion to determine which groups merit further consideration, subject to certain constraints. The Board then posts an announcement to news.announce.newgroups and news.groups.proposals listing the groups under consideration and the procedure for discussion. The list and procedure is discussed for at least 7 days in news.groups.proposals, after which the Board may remove groups from the list or modify the proposed procedure.

2. User feedback for candidate groups. The Board posts an article to each candidate group to solicit feedback on the proposed removal and to indicate where this feedback is to be submitted. The feedback period lasts at least 21 days and no more than 42 days.

3. Finalize list of groups to be removed. The Board uses its discretion to determine which candidate groups are to be removed. The Board posts an announcement to news.announce.newgroups and news.groups.proposals listing these groups and the procedure for discussion. The list and procedure is discussed for at least 5 days in news.groups.proposals, after which the Board may remove groups from the list.

4. Removal of groups. The Board issues the necessary rmgroup control messages and removes the groups from checkgroups and other lists of Big-8 groups.

Ad-hoc removals

Unmoderated groups may also be removed on an ad-hoc basis due to extremely low traffic or for other reasons that the Board deems valid. In this case, the procedures for removing groups are as follows.

Removing individual groups

1. A proponent submits a Group Removal RFD to news.announce.newgroups.

2. The Board decides whether to publish the Group Removal RFD.

3. Discussion of the RFD takes place in news.groups.proposals.

4. The RFD is revised as needed.

5. When the proponent and the Board agree that no further revisions or research are required, the Board schedules an internal vote on the RFD.

6. If the proposal to remove the group is endorsed by the Board, the Technical Team implements the decision.

Removing groups en masse

1. The proponent posts a comprehensive Group Removal RFD to news.announce.newgroups and news.groups.proposals.

2. A message is posted to each target group which points to the message ID of the RFD and announces that all development of the RFD will take place through discussion in news.groups.proposals and posts in n.a.n.; such notices should have followup set to news.groups.proposals, although those who wish may crosspost to the groups slated to be removed.

3. All further versions of the RFD, Last Call for Comments, and results are posted only to n.a.n. and news.groups.proposals.