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From: Tristan Miller <>
Newsgroups: news.groups.proposals,news.announce.newgroups
Subject: 2nd RFD: Remove and
Followup-To: news.groups.proposals
Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2022 10:30:28 EST
Message-ID: <svipm3$lkn$>
References: <str09s$2k1$>

This is a formal Request for Discussion (RFD) to remove the moderated
newsgroups and

Newsgroups Line:	Shareware announcements. (Moderated)	Creation of shareware. (Moderated)


Proponent: Tristan Miller <>



This is a moderated newsgroup, intended for discussion related to the
creation and sale of shareware software.  Without limitation,
acceptable postings may relate to:

    Development issues.
    Programming issues.
    Marketing techniques.
    Distribution techniques.

Binary postings are not acceptable, although pointers to binary
postings in appropriate binaries groups are.  Commercial
advertisements are not acceptable except insofar as they are bona
fide one-off announcements of new shareware products.  Cross-posting
between this newsgroup and other* newsgroups
is not acceptable.


This is a moderated newsgroup, intended for informational
announcements related to shareware products and resources. Without
limitation, appropriate topics may include:

    Announcements of new shareware releases.
    Announcements of shareware FTP and WWW archives.
    Announcements regarding shareware related services, such as
    credit card registration services.

This group is not intended for discussion about shareware, and
follow-ups to articles in this group should be posted elsewhere.
Commercial advertisements are not acceptable except insofar as they
are bona fide one-off announcements of new shareware products or
services.  Cross-posting between this newsgroup and other* groups is not acceptable.

Rationale for removal:

The current moderator of record for the newsgroups, Kathy Morgan, had
taken over moderatorship after the previous moderators had
disappeared.  She reports to the Big-8 Management Board that during
her tenure as moderator, the groups were not successful "because they
never again received an adequate number of submissions to make a
viable group". She attributes this to former community members having
moved on to other forums.  She furthermore writes, "I posted asking
users if there was any desire to keep the groups and IIRC received
just one response and that was in the negative.  I would like to see
them removed, since there is no longer interest in the groups and I no
longer have access to moderate them."

Inspection of the two groups on public servers reveals that no new
articles have been posted since May 2017; in the three years prior to
that, only a handful of articles per year had been posted to either

A third and final group in the* hierarchy,, was already deleted without objection
on 2009-12-23, the RFD having established that the group had become

In view of this community history, and of the near-extinction of the
shareware model, I believe that further efforts to rescue and
revitalize and would be unproductive. (These efforts
include putting the groups under caretaker moderation for the sole
purpose of posting this RFD to them.) For this reason I propose that
the groups simply be deleted.

No comments were received in response to the first deletion RFD posted 
on 2022-02-07.

History of the Groups:

1997-09-15: 1st RFD (create)
1997-09-29: 2nd RFD (create)
1997-10-20: 1st CFV
1997-10-30: 2nd CFV
1997-11-12: Result:
     fails 119:27
     fails 108:30
     fails 110:32
1998-07-17: 1st RFD (create; revised)
1998-08-26: 1st CFV
1998-09-08: 2nd CFV
1998-09-22: Result:
     passes 334:22
     passes 323:26
     passes 322:29
2009-11-24: 1st RFD (delete
2009-12-13: LCC (delete
2009-12-20: Result: to be deleted
2009-12-23: deleted


Those who wish to comment on this request to remove this newsgroup
should subscribe to news:news.groups.proposals and participate in the
relevant threads in that newsgroup.

To this end, the followup header of this RFD has been set to

All discussion of active proposals should be posted to

If desired by the readership of closely affected groups, the
discussion may be crossposted to those groups, but care must be taken
to ensure that all discussion appears in news.groups.proposals as

For more information on the newsgroup removal process, please see

History of this RFD:

2022-02-07: 1st RFD (remove)
2022-02-28: 2nd RFD (remove)

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