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From: (Big 8 Management Board)
Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups.proposals,rec.ponds.moderated,rec.ponds
Subject: 2nd RFD rec.ponds.moderated (remove) - LAST CALL FOR COMMENTS
Followup-To: news.groups.proposals
Date: Mon, 25 May 2015 16:05:08 EDT
Message-ID: <mjvbiv$gbo$>

 moderated group rec.ponds.moderated (remove) - LAST CALL FOR COMMENTS

This is a formal Request for Discussion (RFD) to remove the moderated
newsgroup rec.ponds.moderated.

The B8MB plans to begin voting on this proposal after five days.  Please
offer any final discussion or comments before the end of this waiting
period.  Voting may take up to one week (7 days); a result will be
posted following the end of the voting period.

All discussion of this proposal should be posted to news.groups.proposals.

For more information on the newsgroup removal process, please see

rec.ponds.moderated	Care & enjoyment of recreational pods & water gardens. (Moderated)

Probe posts to this group result in bounces:

    <> (expanded from <>): unknown user: "rpmadmin"

The last article approved by the moderators, with Message ID
<>, appeared in April of 2013,
over two years ago.

One of the last articles posted to the newsgroup, in February of 2013,
was from moderator Jim Hurley, with Message ID
<>, seeking
feedback on the continuation of the newsgroup.  Some followups were in
favor of continuing the newsgroup, some were in favor of moving to
social media (e.g., Facebook).


In response to the original Moderator Vacancy Investigation and the 1st
Request for Discussion, no followup to news.groups.proposals or
rec.ponds has been posted volunteering to serve as a replacement
moderator or moderators, or inquiring about volunteering.



C01  Description and Purpose

  Rec.ponds.moderated is a moderated newsgroup that provides a friendly,
  respectful forum for the discussion of all aspects of ponds and water
  gardens.  The rec.ponds.moderated newsgroup appeals to a wide range of
  people involved in both the recreational and professional aspects of
  establishing and maintaining a pond or water garden.  Participants
  range from novices to persons with many years of experience, from
  amateur hobbyists to professional botanists and ichthyologists, from
  students wishing to get help with science projects to retired persons
  seeking a quiet, pleasurable pastime.  All interested persons are
  welcomed to share ideas, ask questions, or simply to lurk and learn.

C02  Permitted Content

  Discussions appropriate to a ponding community including, but not
  limited to:

    * Building a pond/water garden
    * Establishing an ecosystem
    * Plant life
    * Fish
    * Amphibians and reptiles
    * Aquatic environmental concerns
    * Discussions of large, unlined natural ponds

C03  The Following Is Prohibited

  All posts containing these items are rejected, and returned with
  explanation if permitted by the automated software.

    * Obscenities
    * Implied or direct threats, slander, insults, bigotry, prejudice
      or harassment
    * Flaming, trolling, flooding, and personal verbal attacks
    * Frequent petty criticism of another poster
    * Posts advocating violence or containing physical threats
    * Attacks on others based on gender, race, sexual orientation
      or religion
    * Commercial posts
    * Excessive cross-posting, although limited, on-topic cross-posting
      is permitted
    * Chain letters
    * Posts written in HTML
    * EMP spam
    * Binaries, other than pgp signatures, x-face headers, and other
      ancillary article meta-data
    * Forgery of names, valid email addresses and/or approval headers
    * Excessive morphing/nym shifting ("excessive" is undefined but is
      at the discretion of the moderators)
    * Excessive quoting of old material, with little new content
      (these will be judgment calls made by the moderators)
    * Personal identification information associated with anyone other
      than the poster (e.g.  residential addresses, phone numbers and
      government identifications)
    * Content advocating acts that would be intrinsically illegal
      in most places
    * Copyright violations.  (However, pointers to news articles,
      blogs, etc. that are on-topic are welcome.  They must comply with
      fair use standards.)

C04  Charter Implementation

  The charter of this newsgroup is implemented by a group of moderators.
  Their task is to develop and carry out the methods and means necessary
  to insure that the stated purposes of the group charter are accomplished.
  Their methods shall be defined as Moderation Policy and Practices. (MPP)

  Moderators make use of whatever tools and discussion processes they deem
  necessary to carry out their responsibilities.  One such tool may
  include the use of automated moderation software.

C05  Moderation Policy Objectives and Practices

  Moderation policy adheres to and carries out the stated goals and
  purposes of the group.  Moderation policy & practices (MPP) may be
  changed by the moderators to meet the ongoing needs of the newsgroup

  Proposed changes are announced by the moderators in the
  newsgroup, and newsgroup readers are invited to share and discuss
  their views of the proposed changes.  Passage of the changes is by a
  2/3 majority vote of the moderators.  Changes are published in the

C06  Moderator Standards

  Moderators approve or reject posts based upon content as listed in C02
  and C03 above.  Moderators maintain a standard of neutrality and
  non-bias.  Moderators do not add, delete, or edit anything within a
  post.  Tags are not added.

  Decisions of the moderation team are final.  Moderators permit posts
  that may contain technically incorrect information, provided that the
  post is not deemed to be deliberately deceptive.  Any approved post
  that is forwarded to the newsgroup, and contains incorrect information,
  may and should be followed up by posts that attempt to correct the
  misinformation.  Such corrective posts may be made by any interested
  person/s in the newsgroup.

  All personal posts made by moderators go through the same complete
  process as posts made by the general readership of the group.
  Moderators do not review their own posts, nor those of a relative.
  Moderators who fail to abide by the charter and current moderation
  policy may be warned and/or removed by the other moderators.

C07  Moderator Accessibility and Accountability

  The moderators provide options for both private and public
  interaction with the readership of the newsgroup.  An email contact
  address is provided for complaints, appeals, reviews and suggestions.
  The receipt of emails to the contact address is acknowledged by a
  return email, provided a valid return address is given.

  In addition, the Charter provides for limited public discussion
  of the general issues of moderation policy, group operation and other
  matters that affect the group.

  Moderators shall create and occasionally publish FAQ and other
  documents that promote the functionality of the newsgroup.

C08  Readership Participation & Responsibility

  All participants in the group may:

    * Request changes to moderation policy and participate in the
      discussion of changes.
    * Privately ask for all moderators to review a specific rejected
      post (within practical numerical limits determined by the
    * Nominate new moderators.



                  rec.ponds.moderated will be created

The Last Call for Comments on 28 Feb 2007 initiated a five-day period for
final comments.  Following this comment period, the Big-8 Management Board
has decided by a vote to create the newsgroup rec.ponds.moderated.

The vote was 8 in favor and 0 opposed.  1 active member did not vote.

This group will be created on 09 Mar 2007.

The group was created shortly afterwards, and continued activity until
April of 2013, after which no further approved articles appeared.

PROPONENT:  Paul W. Schleck <>


25 April 2015:  Moderator Vacancy Investigation
10   May 2015:  1st RFD (remove)
25   May 2015:  LCC