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From: D Finnigan <>
Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups.proposals,comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.mac.system
Subject: 2nd RFD: comp.sys.mac.vintage
Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2013 13:53:01 EDT
Message-ID: <2nd-rfd-create-comp.sys.mac.vintage@macgui>

                  REQUEST FOR DISCUSSION (RFD)
             unmoderated group comp.sys.mac.vintage

This is a formal Request for Discussion (RFD) for the creation of the 
unmoderated newsgroup comp.sys.mac.vintage.


comp.sys.mac.vintage	Unsupported Macintosh hardware and software.


Being that discussion within the Macintosh Big-8 newsgroups has naturally
followed the evolution of the computer hardware and software, and being that
a certain number of users and hobbyists still appreciate using and maintaining
the older systems, the creation of a newsgroup dedicated to older Macintosh
hardware and software is hereby proposed.

Presently, discussions for older Macintosh systems are carried out in the
most relevant newsgroup. There are two principal drawbacks to this current
arrangement. First of all, the volume of discussions for present-day systems
dwarfs that of the older systems and software. Secondly, it follows that the
larger discussion base naturally stems from a larger pool of participants whose
technical knowledge primarily centers around the modern Mac OS X systems.

With a newsgroup dedicated to all matters concerning older Macintosh systems,
both experienced users and hobbyists alike will be able to participate in
discussions without the clutter of other discussions on the newest hardware
and software.

Outside of Usenet, a small number of moderated message boards and mailing lists
are devoted to vintage and obsolete Macintosh discussions. An unmoderated
newsgroup that will almost certainly be archived for perpetuity will serve the
needs of vintage Macintosh users for years to come by allowing free exchange
of discussion, advice, tips, and questions. Message archives will ensure that
in future, users will be able to draw from this base of answers and insight,
much like what is now possible with Macintosh newsgroup archives from the late
80s and 90s.

In the past three weeks, eighteen Usenet users have expressed interest in
such a newsgroup. Their names and Message-IDs follow:

Peter Dassow	<51366e82$0$6563$>
kevin		<>
Steve Nickolas	<>
Alan Browne	<>
Lyndon		<>
billy		<kh3th7$pe4$>
Jolly Roger	<>
David Empson	<>
Scott Alfter	<kh7udt$tfe$>
Bill Horne	<kh845u$1rn$>
mos6502geek	<>
David Griffith	<kh8co5$k8f$>
Egan Ford	<kh8hgs$orl$>
slandon110	<>
Jesse		<khdb59$gns$>
Chris Schram	<>
jt august	<>
Stephen T. Cole	<notlikely-1303131113590001@>


The newsgroup comp.sys.mac.vintage is intended for discussions regarding the
use, maintenance, and programming of Macintosh computers which are no longer 
current. This classification includes the following systems:

- All Motorola 680x0 series computers
- All PowerPC series computers
- Any Intel computer declared by Apple as either vintage or obsolete
- Mac OS Systems 1.0 through 9.2.2
- Any Mac OS X version no longer supported by Apple

Discussions of Macintosh clones, as well as alternative operating systems, are
also on-topic and welcomed in this newsgroup.

Requests for hardware and software should be posted in the comp.sys.mac.wanted

Posters to this newsgroup are asked to refrain from harrassment, personal
attacks, and disruptive communication. Articles containing binary computer
files including, but not limited to, programs or images, are forbidden. HTML
posts are discouraged.

Users should exercise their best judgement and use consideration for the
copyright laws of their country. If in doubt, ask.


For more information on the newsgroup creation process, please see:

Those who wish to influence the development of this RFD and its 
final resolution should subscribe to news.groups.proposals and 
participate in the relevant threads in that newsgroup.  This is both 
a courtesy to groups in which discussion of creating a new group is 
off-topic as well as the best method of making sure that one's 
comments or criticisms are heard.

All discussion of active proposals should be posted to 

To this end, the followup header of this RFD has been set to

If desired by the readership of closely affected groups, the 
discussion may be crossposted to those groups, but care must be 
taken to ensure that all discussion appears in news.groups.proposals 
as well.

We urge those who would like to read or post in the proposed 
newsgroup to make a comment to that effect in this thread; we ask 
proponents to keep a list of such positive posts with the relevant 
message ID.

Such lists of positive feedback for the proposal may constitute good 
evidence that the group will be well-used if it is created.


This document has been posted to the following newsgroups:



D. Finnigan <>

2013-03-18  2nd RFD. Emended charter and rationale
2013-03-04  1st RFD.