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From: The Big-8 Management Board <>
Subject: 2nd RFD: remove soc.culture.pakistan.moderated moderated (LAST CALL FOR COMMENTS)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan, news.announce.newgroups,
 soc.culture.pakistan.moderated, news.groups.proposals
Followup-To: news.groups.proposals
Date: Tue, 01 May 2007 15:46:20 -0500

                      REQUEST FOR DISCUSSION (RFD)
                 remove soc.culture.pakistan.moderated

This is a formal Request For Discussion (RFD) to remove the moderated
newsgroup soc.culture.pakistan.moderated.


The B8MB plans to begin voting on this proposal after five days.  Please
offer any final discussion or comments before the end of this waiting
period.  Voting may take up to one week (7 days); a result will be posted
following the end of the voting period.

All discussion of this proposal should be posted to news.groups.proposals.

The full group removal procedure is documented here:


No comments were received.

RATIONALE: remove soc.culture.pakistan.moderated

Note: There are separate RFD's proposing the removal of
soc.culture.pakistan.moderated,, and
soc.culture.pakistan.history.  It is not necessary that all 3 groups
share the same fate.  It is conceivable that one group be removed, one
converted to an unmoderated status, and one assigned a new moderator.

The last approved article submitted to soc.culture.pakistan.moderated
occured in June 1998.  Over the next year, there were about a dozen
approved articles cross-posted across the entire soc.culture.pakistan
hierarchy that were not specific to soc.culture.pakistan.moderated.
There also were continued posting of FAQ's and similar materials.

If soc.culture.pakistan.moderated were removed, discussion of culture
in Pakistan could continue to occur in the unmoderated
soc.culture.pakistan (SCP), and where topical, in the unmoderated
SCP.politics, SCP.religion, and SCP.sports.

Alternatives include:

(1) Removal of soc.culture.pakistan.moderated.

(2) Assignment of a new moderator.  It may be feasible to simply block
cross-posts and do spam filtering.

(3) Because of its name, it is not appropriate to convert
soc.culture.pakistan.moderated to an unmoderated status.  In addition
it would be redundant to the unmoderated soc.culture.pakistan.


The newsgroup soc.culture.pakistan.moderated was created in June 1996
as part of a re-organization of the soc.culture.pakistan (SCP)
hierarchy that included creation of the moderated groups
SCP.moderated,, and SCP.history; and the unmoderated
groups SCP.politics, SCP.religion, and SCP.sports.  The
re-organization required about 9 months, including a re-vote due to
irregularites during the first CFV.

The newsgroup soc.culture.pakistan was created in March 1990.  There
was a proposal to convert the group to a moderated status in February
1991, but it never proceeded to a vote.

During the two year active period of soc.culture.pakistan.moderated
from June 1996 to June 1998, there were roughly 40 threads per month.
A large share of the content were reposts from the Pakistan News
Service, rather than user initiated discussion.

The last approvals specific to soc.culture.pakistan.moderated were in
June 1998.  There were about a dozen approvals widely cross-posted
across the soc.culture.pakistan hierarchy the following year.  In
addition, there were continued posting of FAQ's and other guidelines
that continued through 2006.


This document has been posted to the following newsgroups:


The proponent will also post pointers to:



The newsgroup line is:

soc.culture.pakistan.moderated	Discussions on Pakistan.

The charter (extracted from the CFV):

The newsgroup will be for carrying on discussions on Pakistan in a
moderated environment.  All topics not covered by other newsgroups in
soc.culture.hierarchy are welcome.  The moderation will keep the
discussion relevant to Pakistan.  This is an alternate for readers
wishing to take part in discussions without high noise to signal


Jim Riley <>


2007-04-14     1st RFD
2007-05-01     2nd RFD/LCC