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From: D. Finnigan <>
Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups.proposals,comp.sys.apple2,comp.sys.apple2.comm
Subject: 2nd RFD: Remove comp.sys.apple2.comm
Followup-To: news.groups.proposals
Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2012 14:02:00 EDT
Message-ID: <>

This is a formal Request for Discussion (RFD) to remove the 
unmoderated newsgroup comp.sys.apple2.comm.

Newsgroups Line:
comp.sys.apple2.comm	Apple II data communications.


Proponent: D. Finnigan <>


        === CHARTER:  comp.sys.apple2.comm (unmoderated) 

        The original proposal called for the "comp.sys.apple2.bbs" 
        newsgroup.  The new name is offered here as a more accurate 
        alternative.  Topics suitable for discussion in csa2.comm include (but
        are not limited to): 

 	 1. Telecommunications software (ProTERM, ANSITerm, ZLink, TIC, etc.) 
 	 2. Bulletin board software (METAL/FutureVision, ProLine, Warp Six, 
 	      GBBS Pro, Prime, etc.) 
 	 3. Online services (GEnie, CompuServe, America Online, etc.) 
 	 4. Telecommunications hardware (high-speed modems, building cables, 
 	      selecting a serial card, etc.) 
 	 5. Networking (AppleShare, LocalTalk, Ethertalk, CAP, etc.) 
 	 6. Cross-platform connectivity (IBM-to-Apple, Apple-to-Macintosh, 
 	      Apple-to-UNIX via UUCP, etc.) 

        This proposal also calls for the merging of the "a2bbs" mailing 
        list, currently maintained by Doug Granzow on the ProLine BBS network 
        system.  Creation of csa2.comm will expand the distribution of this 
        popular mailing list (over 100 readers) to the Usenet domain. 

Rationale for removal:

	Posting volume had dropped to little more than two FAQ posts per month
        since 2007. FAQ posting ceased in December 2010 and the group had 2 
        posts in all of 2011 one of which was off-topic, and 2 posts so far
        for this year, both of which were off-topic.

        Discussions of Apple II systems and software can take place in the
        main comp.sys.apple2 newsgroup, which has a far wider readership and
        posting volume. As the catch-all newsgroup for the Apple II, all
        on-topic posts in csa2.comm would also be on-topic for comp.sys.apple2.

        Whereas the rise of broadband Internet has all but extinguished the
        use of modems and telehpone-based communications, and being that the
        Apple II computer system is obsolete, it is improbable that the volume
        of on-topic discussions will ever increase in comp.sys.apple2.comm.

Discussion so far:

	There has been one post supporting the removal of this newsgroup
	from Linards Ticmanis. Message-ID:

History of the Group:

	comp.sys.apple2.comm is an unmoderated newsgroup which passed its vote for 
	creation by 259:38 as reported in news.announce.newgroups on 28 May 1993.

	For your newsgroups file: 
	comp.sys.apple2.comm            Apple II data communications.


Those who wish to comment on this request to remove this newsgroup should 
subscribe to news:news.groups.proposals and participate in the relevant threads in 
that newsgroup.  

To this end, the followup header of this RFD has been set to 

All discussion of active proposals should be posted to 

If desired by the readership of closely affected groups, the discussion may be
crossposted to those groups, but care must be taken to ensure that all
discussion appears in news.groups.proposals as well.

For more information on the newsgroup removal process, please see

History of this RFD:

2012-10-26: Revised for 2nd RFD
2012-10-16: Initial proposal