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From: board@big-8.org (The Big-8 Management Board)<br />
Subject: 3rd RFD: remove comp.sys.zenith (LAST CALL FOR COMMENTS)<br />
Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups, news.groups, comp.sys.zenith,<br />
comp.sys.zenith.z100<br />
Followup-To: news.groups<br />
Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2006 15:07:11 -0700<br />
<br />
REQUEST FOR DISCUSSION (RFD)<br />
remove comp.sys.zenith-reorg<br />
<br />
This is a formal Request For Discussion (RFD) to remove the<br />
newsgroup comp.sys.zenith.<br />
<br />
<br />
PROCEDURE:<br />
<br />
The B8MB plans to begin voting on this proposal after five days. Please<br />
offer any final discussion or comments before the end of this waiting<br />
period. Voting may take up to one week (7 days); a result will be posted<br />
following the end of the voting period.<br />
<br />
All discussion of this proposal should be posted to news.groups.<br />
<br />
The full (draft) group removal procedure is documented here:<br />
<br />
http://www.big-8.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=policies:rmgroup<br />
<br />
<br />
<br />
SUMMARY OF DISCUSSION:<br />
<br />
There was some confusion as to whether comp.sys.zenith (csz) or<br />
comp.sys.zenith.z100 (csz.z100) was proposed for removal. It is<br />
comp.sys.zenith that is proposed for removal. The absence of a "parent"<br />
group has no effect on the other groups. In this particular case,<br />
csz.z100 existed quite alone in standard Big 8 distribution for 13 years,<br />
before csz was promoted.<br />
<br />
The origins of the two groups are murky, but both might have been<br />
INET groups, with the more active group, csz.z100, receiving an early<br />
promotion in 1987. Both groups were gatewayed to mailing lists in 1987.<br />
comp.sys.zenith was gatewayed to Heath-People, which was a successor<br />
to H19-People. According to early List of Lists, the name change was<br />
intended to reflect that the list also discussed the H88, H89, H100, Z19,<br />
and Z100. csz.z100 was gatewayed to INFO-HZ100. INFO-HZ100 may have been<br />
the much more active list.<br />
<br />
Early in the period which Google has archived, persons who wanted to<br />
discuss the pre-Z100 Heath computers and terminals were directed to the<br />
INET group csz, while those who wanted to discuss the Z286 and Z386 were<br />
directed to comp.sys.ibm.pc since they were simply PC clones distinguished<br />
only by their brand name. Nonetheless, as the INET group csz leaked, it<br />
came to be dominated by Z286 and Z386 discussion, and it was a much busier<br />
group during the early 1990s than csz.z100.<br />
<br />
Over time, the discussion of the Z286 and Z386 have essentially<br />
disappeared leaving csz almost empty. The occasional discussion of<br />
pre-Z100 computers (H89, etc.) has been about evenly split between the<br />
two groups, csz and csz.100. While the Z100 (and H100) use a different<br />
microprocessor, they may share more of the pre-Zenith, Heath cultural<br />
heritage. There is no indication that these rare posts were unwelcome.<br />
<br />
Over the previous 11 months, there have only been 3 "Zenith" related<br />
messages in csz. One was about the Z100. One was about a Zenith DVD/VCR<br />
player that is in the wrong hierarchy and manufactured by a different<br />
Zenith. And one was an unanswered question about an H8. This was the<br />
only one that belonged in the group.<br />
<br />
To reflect that csz.z100 historically has been, and likely will continue<br />
to be used for occasional messages about the pre-Z100 computers, a change<br />
is proposed to the newsgroups line for comp.sys.zenith.z100:<br />
<br />
comp.sys.zenith.z100 Heath & Zenith computers, Z-100 series and others.<br />
<br />
<br />
RATIONALE: remove comp.sys.zenith-reorg<br />
<br />
comp.sys.zenith possibly has had 3 on-topic messages in the past 11<br />
months. One was specific to the Z100. This extremely light discussion can be<br />
accomodated by comp.sys.zenith.z100. It is proposed that a change in the<br />
description of the latter group be made to reflect its slightly broadened scope.<br />
<br />
This RFD is part of a proposal to remove 31 low-traffic former-INET<br />
groups. Please see article <1152814343.19576@isc.org>, available here:<br />
<br />
http://news.killfile.org/?group=news.announce.newgroups&number=1363<br />
<br />
Note: the proposal to remove two of the 31 groups, comp.os.rsts and<br />
comp.std.announce, has been withdrawn.<br />
<br />
<br />
HISTORY:<br />
<br />
comp.sys.zenith has existed as an INET group at least since 1987. It was<br />
promoted to the standard Big 8 distribution in October 2000.<br />
<br />
<br />
DISTRIBUTION:<br />
<br />
This document has been posted to the following newsgroups:<br />
<br />
news.announce.newgroups<br />
news.groups<br />
comp.sys.zenith<br />
comp.sys.zenith.z100<br />
<br />
<br />
CHARTER:<br />
<br />
The newsgroup line is:<br />
<br />
comp.sys.zenith Heath terminals and related Zenith products.<br />
<br />
<br />
PROPONENT:<br />
<br />
Jim Riley <jimrtex@pipeline.com><br />
<br />
<br />
<br />
CHANGE HISTORY:<br />
<br />
2006-08-17 3rd RFD (Last Call for Comments)<br />
2006-07-13 2nd ("comprehensive") RFD<br />
2006-07-06 1st RFD<br />
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