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From: Tim McNamara <timmcn@bitstream.net>

Subject: RFD:  removal of sci.psychology.psychotherapy.moderated

Approved: Moderator of news.announce.newgroups <newgroups-request@isc.org>, NGP Approval Key <ngp-approval-key@ngp.big-8.org>

Message-ID: <timmcn-B5BD72.18324329032010@news-1.mpls.iphouse.net>



This is a formal Request for Discussion (RFD) to remove the

moderated newsgroup sci.psychology.psychotherapy.moderated.



Newsgroups Line:

Practice of psychotherapy.  Moderated



Distribution:

   news.announce.newgroups

   news.groups.proposals

   sci.psychology.psychotherapy.moderated

   sci.psychology.psychotherapy



Proponent: Tim McNamara <timmcn@bitstream.net> (one of eight moderators).



Charter:



Overview: Sci.psychology.psychotherapy.moderated (hereinafter "sppm") 

exists as a forum for the discussion of psychotherapy. Anyone with an 

interest in such discussion is welcome. This would include practitioners 

of all types (psychologists, psychiatrists, marriage/family counselors, 

social workers, etc.), students of therapy, and therapy clientele.



 Appropriate and Inappropriate Posts: Some examples of topics 

appropriate for discussion in sppm include (but are not limited to) the 

following:



* a particular type of psychotherapy (e.g., cognitive-behavioral, 

psychodynamic), or a comparison between two types. There will be no 

restrictions on the types of therapeutic modalities that are appropriate 

for discussion -- save for treatments that seem to have no obvious 

connection to psychology (e.g., palm-reading, crystals). The latter will 

not be accepted, unless a clear, plausible connection to psychology is 

made.



 * a particular psychological disorder (e.g., depression, eating 

disorder)



 * a particular psychological theory (e.g., object relations theory, 

learning theory), as it relates to the material of therapy



 * research relevant to psychotherapy



 * psychopharmacological (drug) or other biological treatments, as they 

relate to psychotherapy



 * diagnostic issues



 * therapist training and supervision



 * ethical issues faced by therapists



 * trends in practice (e.g., emerging or alternative modalities)



 * the relationship between psychotherapy and other fields of inquiry 

such as philosophy or religion (as long as the discussion remains 

focused on psychotherapy)



 * career issues (e.g., establishing a private practice, coping with 

managed care) * business related directly to psychotherapy (e.g., 

employment opportunities, equipment for sale)



 * case studies (if and only if client anonymity is ensured)



 * announcements and reports of meetings, conferences, and newsletters, 

including those put out by self-help organizations (please consider 

posting or cross-posting these to sci.psychology.announce, however)



 * requests for information about a specific problem. However, those 

looking for exchanges characteristic of a support group should seek out 

an actual support group, as sppm was not designed to serve that function.



The following are inappropriate for sppm, and posts containing them will 

be rejected:



* personal attacks, including allegations of professional misconduct 

(the latter should be brought to the attention of the appropriate 

authorities)



* discussions which wander far from the topic of psychotherapy 

(including spam)



* cross-posting to groups outside of the psychology topic area, unless 

the reason for crossposting is evident (e.g., cross-posting to a sci.med 

group when drug therapy is being discussed). Responses may be made to 

the same groups or a subset thereof without further justification.



* gross violations of netiquette. These may include, for example, 

excessive repetition -- defined as more than 90% quoted material, or 

posting more frequently than once per month an article with more than 

90% unchanged text (moderators may change these value in the future, if 

they find them to be unsatisfactory) -- or chronic misattribution of 

quoted text.





Rationale for removal:



sci.psychology.psychotherapy.moderated has had very little relevant 

traffic for the past 2 1/4 years.  There were 15 posts in 2008, 9 posts 

in 2009 and 0 posts to date in 2010.  Perhaps 1/3 to 1/2 of these recent 

posts have been forge-approved spam.



Of the eight moderators, three have e-mail addresses that no longer 

work. Internal discussion among the moderators in late 2009 resulted in 

three of the moderators agreeing that the newsgroup no longer serves a 

purpose and the others remaining silent.  On 2010-03-17 I sent a copy 

of the RFD to all the moderators and received no reply from any of 

them.  It seems to me that the newsgroup and moderator system is pretty 

much defunct.  I have copied this RFD to the s.p.p.m moderators group 

to see if any of them wish to support or oppose removal of the newsgroup.





History of the Group:



sci.psychology.psychotherapy.moderated was proposed by John M. Grohol 

PsyD in response to chronic problems with certain abusive posters to 

sci.psychology.psychotherapy.  The newsgroup was created 08/22/1997 and 

has had 2,240 posts in that time; there have been 24 posts in the past 

27 months, perhaps 1/3 to 1/2 of those being forge-approved spam.





Procedure:



Those who wish to comment on this request to remove this newsgroup should

subscribe to news:news.groups.proposals and participate in the relevant 

threads in

that newsgroup.



To this end, the followup header of this RFD has been set to

news.groups.proposals.



All discussion of active proposals should be posted to

news.groups.proposals.



If desired by the readership of closely affected groups, the discussion 

may be crossposted to those groups, but care must be taken to ensure 

that all discussion appears in news.groups.proposals as well.



For more information on the newsgroup removal process, please see



http://www.big-8.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=policies:rmgroup



History of this RFD:



First proposal by Tim McNamara 2010-03-17, submitted to the 

sci.psychology.psychotherapy.moderated moderator's mailing list.



Second proposal by Tim McNamara  2010-03-27, rejected due to needed 

corrections in the RFD.



Third proposal by Tim McNamara 2010-03-29 with corrections.





======================================= MODERATOR'S COMMENT: 

 alba

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