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From: Big-8 Management Board <board@big-8.org>

Subject: RESULT: comp.ai.jair.* will be removed

Date: Sun, 20 Dec 2009 18:03:45 EST

Message-ID: <hgm472$ara$1@news.albasani.net>





                          RESULT

              comp.ai.jair.* will be removed



The Last Call for Comments (LCC) on 2009-12-13 initiated a five-day

period for final comments.  Following this comment period, the Big-8

Management Board has decided by vote to remove moderated groups

comp.ai.jair.announce and comp.ai.jair.papers.



Vote results (yes-no-abstain): 10-0-0



NEWSGROUPS LINE:



comp.ai.jair.announce	Announcements & abstracts of the Journal of AI Research. (Moderated)

comp.ai.jair.papers	Papers published by the Journal of AI Research. (Moderated)



DISTRIBUTION:



news.announce.newgroups

news.groups.proposals

comp.ai.jair.announce

comp.ai.jair.papers



PROPONENT:



Alexander Bartolich <alexander.bartolich@gmx.at>



CHARTER OF COMP.AI.JAIR.ANNOUNCE



	Announcements and abstracts.  This group will primarily be used

	to announce the publication of new papers; when a paper has been

	accepted to the journal, the abstract will be posted here.



  The AI Access Foundation, a nonprofit corporation devoted to the

  electronic dissemination of scientific results in AI, is pleased to

  announce a new journal, the Journal of Artificial Intelligence

  Research (JAIR).  JAIR is a refereed publication, covering all areas

  of AI, that will be distributed over the internet. In addition, each

  complete volume of JAIR will be published by Morgan Kaufmann.



  JAIR will only publish articles of the highest quality.  Submissions

  will be evaluated on their originality and significance.  All claims

  should be clearly articulated and justified either empirically or

  theoretically.  Papers should describe work that has both practical

  and theoretical significance.



  We encourage authors to be concise. Short, high-quality articles

  will be welcomed, in addition to the longer articles that traditionally 

  appear in AI journals. JAIR will also publish technical notes -- very 

  brief papers that extend or evaluate previous work.



  Submissions in all areas of AI are invited, including automated

  reasoning, cognitive modeling, knowledge representation, learning,

  natural language, perception, and robotics.  JAIR will begin accepting

  submissions on June 15, 1993. Further information regarding submissions

  can be obtained by sending a request to jair@ptolemy.arc.nasa.gov.  A

  more detailed announcement containing subscription information will be

  issued later this spring.



CHARTER OF COMP.AI.JAIR.PAPERS



	Accepted papers: postscript, LaTeX or other source suitable

	for text search, supporting code or other data that would not

	normally be included in articles due to size limitations.



  The AI Access Foundation, a nonprofit corporation devoted to the

  electronic dissemination of scientific results in AI, is pleased to

  announce a new journal, the Journal of Artificial Intelligence

  Research (JAIR).  JAIR is a refereed publication, covering all areas

  of AI, that will be distributed over the internet. In addition, each

  complete volume of JAIR will be published by Morgan Kaufmann.



  JAIR will only publish articles of the highest quality.  Submissions

  will be evaluated on their originality and significance.  All claims

  should be clearly articulated and justified either empirically or

  theoretically.  Papers should describe work that has both practical

  and theoretical significance.



  We encourage authors to be concise. Short, high-quality articles

  will be welcomed, in addition to the longer articles that traditionally 

  appear in AI journals. JAIR will also publish technical notes -- very 

  brief papers that extend or evaluate previous work.



  Submissions in all areas of AI are invited, including automated

  reasoning, cognitive modeling, knowledge representation, learning,

  natural language, perception, and robotics.  JAIR will begin accepting

  submissions on June 15, 1993. Further information regarding submissions

  can be obtained by sending a request to jair@ptolemy.arc.nasa.gov.  A

  more detailed announcement containing subscription information will be

  issued later this spring.



RATIONALE:



According to Google's archive the last on-topic post appeared in

comp.ai.jair.papers on 2000-03-30, and in comp.ai.jair.announce

on 2006-04-20.



Probe posts to these groups resulted in bounces.



  The original message was received at Thu, 22 Oct 2009 10:49:58 -0700

  from moderators.individual.net [130.133.4.7]



     ----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors -----

  <jair-papers@ptolemy.arc.nasa.gov>

      (reason: 550 5.1.1 <jair-papers@ptolemy.arc.nasa.gov>: Recipient

      address rejected: User unknown in local recipient table)



  The original message was received at Thu, 22 Oct 2009 10:47:55 -0700

  from moderators.individual.net [130.133.4.7]



     ----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors -----

  <jair-announce@ptolemy.arc.nasa.gov>

      (reason: 550 5.1.1 <jair-announce@ptolemy.arc.nasa.gov>: Recipient

      address rejected: User unknown in local recipient table)



Peter J Ross has volunteered to take over moderation of these group.

- He hopes that submissions are still made but never get through

- Wants to post to articles mentioned on http://www.jair.org/

- Wants to contact jair.org to set up some kind of gateway

>Message-ID: <slrnhfh5fb.7fd.pjr@pjr.gotdns.org> 



Perceived shortcomings of his offer:

- Moderation team too small.

- No policy for replacement of inactive members.

- No endorsal from The Journal of Artificial Intelligence Research.

  David E. Ross tried to contact them via mail and a contact form

  but has not received a reply, yet.



Peter J Ross has not addressed the perceived shortcomings listed

in the 1st RFD.



HISTORY OF THE GROUPS:



comp.ai.jair.announce is a moderated newsgroup which passed its vote for

creation by 344:18 as reported in news.announce.newgroups on 21 Jul 1993.



comp.ai.jair.papers is a moderated newsgroup which passed its vote for

creation by 332:24 as reported in news.announce.newgroups on 21 Jul 1993.



CHANGE HISTORY:



2009-10-22      Probe post bounced

2009-10-25      Moderator Vacancy Investigation

2009-11-15      1st RFD

2009-11-29	2nd RFD

2009-12-13	LCC

2009-12-20	RESULT

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