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From: "D. Stussy" <spam@bde-arc.ampr.org><br />
Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups.proposals,alt.usenet.peering<br />
Subject: RFD: "news.admin.peering" (initial proposal)<br />
Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2008 19:08:44 EST<br />
Message-ID: <gh4f01$6t0$1@snarked.org><br />
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REQUEST FOR DISCUSSION (RFD)<br />
unmoderated group news.admin.peering<br />
<br />
History:<br />
Some time ago in 2007, it was noted that there was no "in band" (i.e. via<br />
NNTP) way for a news server administrator to make general requests for<br />
[additional] peering. Thus, in December 2007, newsgroup<br />
"alt.usenet.peering" was created. It has had success and about 100 posts,<br />
mainly peering requests and offers, and a couple of discussions regarding<br />
organized peering arrangements (how to pick peers - from anarchy to<br />
following a plan), and a discussion about itself. As an "alt.*" group, it<br />
didn't need a charter nor a vote, so rapid deployment occurred.<br />
"Alt.usenet.peering" is an unmoderated group.<br />
<br />
A survey of Usenet servers by "groupsearch.aacity.net" indicates that 18 of<br />
the 49 servers it surveys (about 37%) carry "alt.usenet.peering" (3 servers<br />
have no articles):<br />
<br />
<br />
http://groupsearch.aacity.net/cgi-bin/prop.pl?action=search&group=alt.usenet.peering&sorting=group<br />
<br />
Newzbot.com reports an additional 10 servers which carry the group.<br />
Newzbot generally reports only newsservers "open" for reading and/or<br />
posting.<br />
<br />
http://www.newzbot.com/search.php?t=group&q=alt.usenet.peering<br />
<br />
It is also noted that some of the current participants in<br />
"alt.usenet.peering" have posted articles sourcing from servers not in<br />
either of the lists cited above.<br />
<br />
Currently, there is also one "out of band" (HTTP - web site) way of<br />
requesting peering that is viable. A second web site exists but has<br />
experienced constant abuse since about March 2008 thus rendering it<br />
unusable.<br />
<br />
<br />
Rationale:<br />
In the discussion about itself, it was suggested that "alt.usenet.peering"<br />
should have been created as "news.admin.peering" (or<br />
"news.admin.connectivity") - a "big-8" group. A few participants in that<br />
discussion indicated that they would favor such. Although it will probably<br />
be a low volume group, it serves a critical infrastructure need to Usenet<br />
as a whole. It is expected that the majority of group participants will be<br />
news server administrators and those wishing to start new servers. The<br />
general Usenet population is not expected to participate but may do so if<br />
they wish.<br />
<br />
<br />
Charter:<br />
News.admin.peering is an unmoderated group where news server administrators<br />
may request or offer NNTP peering with other news servers. Queries<br />
regarding connectivity problems and server closing announcements are also<br />
permitted. Discussions on how to best pick peers (at random or via some<br />
plan) is also on-topic. Discussions regarding hierarchy propagation may be<br />
permitted (open for discussion in the RFD).<br />
<br />
Issues regarding spam or network abuse are better posted to the<br />
"news.admin.net-abuse.*" groups.<br />
<br />
Posters are expected to abide by normal Usenet standards of decorum, and to<br />
ignore articles intended to disrupt the group. The usual suspects are<br />
prohibited (spam, binaries, direct advertising, etc.).<br />
<br />
<br />
For your newsgroups file:<br />
news.admin.peering Server peering requests, offers, and article flow<br />
discussions.<br />
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<br />
Should "news.admin.peering" be created, "alt.usenet.peering" will close in<br />
deference to the new group. Should the creation vote fail,<br />
"alt.usenet.peering" will continue to fulfill the functions of the<br />
proposed, failed group.<br />
<br />
As this is a "request for discussion," I have written this message simply<br />
to propose the idea. Should someone [else] wish to write a better, formal<br />
charter for the group, please do so (and post it as a reply to this<br />
thread).<br />
<br />
Proponent: D. Stussy, replies@newsgroups.kd6lvw.ampr.org<br />
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