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		<title>Moleski: Created page with &#039;&lt;pre&gt; From: board@big-8.org (The Big-8 Management Board) Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups.proposals,alt.rhode_island Subject: 2ND RFD: talk.us.rhode-island - LCC/L…&#039;</title>
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		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;Created page with &amp;#039;&amp;lt;pre&amp;gt; From: board@big-8.org (The Big-8 Management Board) Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups.proposals,alt.rhode_island Subject: 2ND RFD: talk.us.rhode-island - LCC/L…&amp;#039;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;b&gt;New page&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;div&gt;&amp;lt;pre&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
From: board@big-8.org (The Big-8 Management Board)&lt;br /&gt;
Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups.proposals,alt.rhode_island&lt;br /&gt;
Subject: 2ND RFD: talk.us.rhode-island - LCC/Last Call for Comments&lt;br /&gt;
Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2008 19:23:29 EDT&lt;br /&gt;
Message-ID: &amp;lt;1ikt0s2.2my7401nqria6N%board@big-8.org&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
                       REQUEST FOR DISCUSSION (RFD)&lt;br /&gt;
              unmoderated group talk.us.rhode-island&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
This is a formal Request for Discussion (RFD) for the creation of the &lt;br /&gt;
unmoderated newsgroup talk.us.rhode-island.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
NEWSGROUPS LINE:&lt;br /&gt;
talk.us.rhode-island Issues related to the State of Rhode Island, USA.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
SUMMARY OF DISCUSSION:&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
During the RFD process, many objections were raised. The major &lt;br /&gt;
objections are addressed below:&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
1. Would the existing group support the move?&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
A 6-day-long poll was conducted in alt.rhode_island regarding this &lt;br /&gt;
proposal. The results were: Support: 18, Oppose: 0.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
The poll can be found here: Message id: &lt;br /&gt;
&amp;lt;WPNhk.18337$Ri.16021@flpi146.ffdc.sbc.com&amp;gt; , Subject: &amp;quot;YOUR FEEDBACK IS&lt;br /&gt;
IMPORTANT! Show your support for the new newsgroup. Or not.&amp;quot;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
2. If this were approved, all of alt.* would be justified moving into &lt;br /&gt;
talk.* hierarchy&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
No. We believe that alt.rhode_island is rather unique compared to the &lt;br /&gt;
rest of the alt.* hierarchy. We have a stable, long-term community that&lt;br /&gt;
cares (and worries) enough about staying together to go through the &lt;br /&gt;
process of Big 8 inclusion. We know each other. We meet regularly. &lt;br /&gt;
Members of the community routinely drive or fly in from other states for&lt;br /&gt;
gatherings&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
3. Why not just switch to a different news server?&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
That&amp;#039;s a possible solution, and probably what we&amp;#039;ll have to do if this &lt;br /&gt;
RFD is rejected. Granted, it&amp;#039;s not unworkable, but it means additional &lt;br /&gt;
cost for members and alt.rhode_island will be invisible to potential new&lt;br /&gt;
members using NSPs (eg: Verizon) which have alt.* blocked.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
RATIONALE:&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
alt.rhode-island is thriving, stable newsgroup community more than ten &lt;br /&gt;
years old that will soon be unavailable to many of its participants as &lt;br /&gt;
their ISPs drop access to newsgroups external to the Big-8.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
The existing alt.rhode_island group is already invisible to any &lt;br /&gt;
potential new members who use Verizon (4th largest US ISP, 9.5M &lt;br /&gt;
subscribers nationwide, a dominant ISP in the New England / Rhode Island&lt;br /&gt;
market) as their ISP/NSP.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
CHARTER:&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
talk.us.rhode-island is an open, unmoderated group for the discussion of&lt;br /&gt;
all topics of interest to Rhode Islanders. Spam and advertising are &lt;br /&gt;
unwelcome.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
PROCEDURE:&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
The newsgroup creation process is currently undergoing revision.  Please&lt;br /&gt;
refer to the newsgroup creation policies listed here:&lt;br /&gt;
 &lt;br /&gt;
         http://www.big-8.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=policies:creation&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
All discussion of active proposals should be posted to &lt;br /&gt;
news.groups.proposals.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
To this end, the followup header of this RFD has been set to &lt;br /&gt;
news.groups.proposals.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
If desired by the readership of closely affected groups, the discussion&lt;br /&gt;
may be crossposted to those groups, but care must be taken to ensure&lt;br /&gt;
that all discussion appears in news.groups.proposals as well.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
DISTRIBUTION:&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
This document has been posted to the following newsgroups:&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
   news.announce.newgroups&lt;br /&gt;
   news.groups.proposals&lt;br /&gt;
   alt.rhode_island&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
PROPONENT:&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Michael Zarlenga  mzarlenga@gmail.com&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
CHANGE HISTORY:&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
2008-07-20     1st RFD&lt;br /&gt;
2008-07-28     2nd RFD/LCC&lt;br /&gt;
                - newsgroup name changed to talk.us.rhode-island&lt;br /&gt;
                - DISCUSSION SUMMARY section added&lt;br /&gt;
                - LCC requested (last call for comments)&lt;br /&gt;
&amp;lt;/pre&amp;gt;&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
		<author><name>Moleski</name></author>
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