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From: The Big-8 Management Board <board@big-8.org><br />
Subject: 2nd RFD: bulk creation of "obvious" groups (LAST CALL FOR COMMENTS)<br />
Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups, news.groups.proposals<br />
Followup-To: news.groups.proposals<br />
Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2007 09:13:36 -0500<br />
Organization: http://www.big-8.org/<br />
<br />
REQUEST FOR DISCUSSION (RFD)<br />
bulk creation of "obvious" groups<br />
<br />
This is a formal Request For Discussion (RFD) for the bulk creation of several <br />
Usenet newsgroups, as listed below.<br />
<br />
PROCEDURE:<br />
<br />
The B8MB plans to begin voting on this proposal after five days. Please<br />
offer any final discussion or comments before the end of this waiting<br />
period. Voting may take up to one week (7 days); a result will be posted<br />
following the end of the voting period.<br />
<br />
All discussion of this proposal should be posted to news.groups.proposals.<br />
<br />
<br />
NEWSGROUPS: <br />
<br />
comp.phone.cellular Cellular telephones<br />
comp.phone.cellular.motorola Motorola Cell Phones<br />
comp.phone.cellular.nokia Nokia Cell Phones<br />
comp.phone.cellular.iphone Apple's iPhone<br />
comp.phone.voice-over-ip.asterisk Open-source VOIP package<br />
comp.internet.services.blog.advocacy Which blog is best?<br />
comp.internet.services.blog.livejournal LJ blogging service and software<br />
comp.internet.services.blog.wordpress Blogging service and software<br />
comp.internet.services.google Search, Gmail, Groups, Maps, Picasa, etc<br />
comp.internet.services.social.facebook Student social networking<br />
comp.internet.services.social.myspace Teenage social networking<br />
comp.internet.services.video.youtube Internet video for the masses<br />
comp.internet.services.wiki Wikis, such as Wikipedia<br />
comp.sys.antique Unsupported computer platforms<br />
rec.autos.sport.autocross Cone course racing, solo, gymkhana<br />
rec.arts.tv.comedy Television comedies<br />
rec.arts.tv.comedy.sitcom Television situational comedies<br />
rec.arts.tv.comedy.the-office The Office, both US and UK Version<br />
rec.arts.tv.drama.damages Lawyer drama on FX with Glenn Close<br />
rec.arts.tv.drama.pushing-daisies Resurrection to solve murders<br />
rec.arts.tv.news.colbert-report The Colbert Nation<br />
rec.arts.tv.news.oreilly-factor Fox News' The O'Reilly Factor<br />
rec.media.players.portable Portable media players<br />
rec.media.players.portable.ipod Apple's iPod media players<br />
rec.media.digital.streaming Streaming video and audio<br />
rec.games.computer.civilization Sid Meier's world-building series<br />
rec.games.online.mmorpg Massive Multi-Player Online Role-Playing Games<br />
rec.games.online.mmorpg.world-of-warcraft World of Warcraft<br />
rec.games.video.microsoft.xbox360 Microsoft XBox360 console<br />
rec.games.video.sony.playstation3 Sony PS3 comsole<br />
rec.games.video.nintendo.wii Nintendo Wii gaming console<br />
rec.games.video.nintendo.ds Nintendo DS portable system<br />
<br />
<br />
SUMMARY OF DISCUSSION:<br />
<br />
The response to this proposed experiment has been fairly negative. There<br />
have been three main complaints:<br />
<br />
1. Will these groups be propagated adequately without a specific<br />
proponent?<br />
<br />
This is in large part what this experiment is trying to uncover. If<br />
adequate propagation can't be built without significant effort beyond<br />
the efforts of a fairly casual proponent, then it may well be<br />
effectively impossible to achieve adequate propagation at all. That<br />
would be useful knowledge.<br />
<br />
Also, it may well be that "adequate" propagation may be lower than<br />
current theories hold; what really matters is that the group is well-<br />
used. If only a small number of servers carry the group, but it<br />
is still well-used, then does it matter if the other servers do not<br />
carry it?<br />
<br />
<br />
2. Can't this be done in a different hierarchy?<br />
<br />
Discussion is currently proceeding on a '9th.*' hierarchy for this<br />
purpose. This proponent currently has no comment on this idea, but<br />
does not wish to tie the two proposals together.<br />
<br />
<br />
3. Isn't this a major departure from existing policies, and shouldn't<br />
there therefore be more discussion?<br />
<br />
This is an experiment; if this turns out to be worth pursuing again<br />
in the future, it will be necessary to codify policies to handle it.<br />
<br />
<br />
4. What about the groups that don't work?<br />
<br />
The proponent has pledged to both push major news servers to carry the<br />
groups, and to later help remove those groups that fail.<br />
<br />
<br />
RATIONALE: bulk creation of "obvious" groups<br />
<br />
The last few weeks/months have seen very little discussion of proposals of<br />
any kind. Rather than worry about the "why" of this, I would like to<br />
experiment with a new, "bulk" creation of newsgroups that are clearly<br />
"obvious", but do not have formal proponents or specific charters, and are<br />
uniformly unmoderated. The above-listed groups were taken from several<br />
discussions of this topic, and are not exhaustive (nor, necessarily,<br />
"obvious"); further suggestions are encouraged.<br />
<br />
This is not yet a formal process! Please participate in the discussion<br />
in news.groups.proposals both to discuss the groups listed above, and the<br />
policy decisions that stem from even discussing this kind of bulk creation.<br />
<br />
Also, updates to the charters/newsgroup descriptions can be offered until<br />
the end of the LCC process.<br />
<br />
<br />
CHARTER:<br />
<br />
(The following is a template charter, which will be set for all groups.)<br />
<br />
This newsgroup was created as part of a trial "bulk creation" newsgroup<br />
creation process, in which "obvious" newsgroups are created without specific<br />
proponents or charters. Users of this group are urged to formulate a more<br />
specific charter and/or newsgroup description for this group, and to propose<br />
them in news.groups.proposals.<br />
<br />
If this group is not used within the next 18 months, it will be removed.<br />
For more information, please refer to the FAQs posted in<br />
news.announce.newgroups.<br />
<br />
Advertising, spam, and excessive crossposting are prohibited. Messages must<br />
be plain text only (no HTML, pictures or other binaries) with the exception<br />
of X-Face headers or PGP-type signatures. Posts should be on-topic for the<br />
name of the group, subject to future interpretation by the overall group<br />
culture.<br />
<br />
<br />
DISTRIBUTION:<br />
<br />
This document has been posted to the following newsgroups:<br />
<br />
news.announce.newgroups (moderated)<br />
news.groups.proposals (moderated)<br />
<br />
<br />
PROPONENT:<br />
<br />
Tim Skirvin <skirv@big-8.org><br />
<br />
<br />
CHANGE HISTORY:<br />
<br />
2007-09-14 1st RFD<br />
2007-09-24 2nd RFD/LCC<br />
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