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		<title>Moleski: Created page with &#039;&lt;pre&gt; From: Jim Riley &lt;jimrtex@pipeline.com&gt; Subject: RFD: remove rec.games.trading-cards.announce moderated Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups, rec.games.trading-cards.misc,  r…&#039;</title>
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		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;Created page with &amp;#039;&amp;lt;pre&amp;gt; From: Jim Riley &amp;lt;jimrtex@pipeline.com&amp;gt; Subject: RFD: remove rec.games.trading-cards.announce moderated Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups, rec.games.trading-cards.misc,  r…&amp;#039;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;b&gt;New page&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;div&gt;&amp;lt;pre&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
From: Jim Riley &amp;lt;jimrtex@pipeline.com&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
Subject: RFD: remove rec.games.trading-cards.announce moderated&lt;br /&gt;
Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups, rec.games.trading-cards.misc,&lt;br /&gt;
 rec.games.trading-cards.announce, news.groups.proposals,&lt;br /&gt;
 rec.games.trading-cards.magic.misc&lt;br /&gt;
Followup-To: news.groups.proposals&lt;br /&gt;
Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2007 10:17:02 -0600&lt;br /&gt;
Organization: http://www.big-8.org/&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
                      REQUEST FOR DISCUSSION (RFD)&lt;br /&gt;
                remove rec.games.trading-cards.announce&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
This is a formal Request For Discussion (RFD) to remove the moderated&lt;br /&gt;
newsgroup rec.games.trading-cards.announce.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
RATIONALE: remove rec.games.trading-cards.announce&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
The newsgroup rec.games.trading-cards.announce has not had any&lt;br /&gt;
approved messages since July 1998.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
A month earlier, the moderator posted an article titled:&lt;br /&gt;
&amp;#039;[admin][important] The future of this group&amp;#039;, stating that:&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&amp;quot;This group isn&amp;#039;t working... I know that. The question is what to do&lt;br /&gt;
about it.&amp;quot;.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
He said that he didn&amp;#039;t have the time to moderate the group, and&lt;br /&gt;
requested anyone who wanted to replace him as moderator to contact&lt;br /&gt;
him.  He mentioned that official submissions from game producers had&lt;br /&gt;
&amp;quot;just about hit zero of late&amp;quot;.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
As an announcement group, it would not be appropriate to convert the&lt;br /&gt;
group to an unmoderated status.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
HISTORY:&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
The newsgroup rec.games.trading-cards.announce was created in December&lt;br /&gt;
1994 as part of the re-organization of the rec.games.deckmaster.*&lt;br /&gt;
sub-hierarchy.  As part of this re-organization, the 2 existing groups&lt;br /&gt;
in the rec.games.deckmaster.* hierarchy, along with 5 new groups were&lt;br /&gt;
placed in a newly established rec.games.trading-cards.* (RGTC)&lt;br /&gt;
hierarchy.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
The new groups were RGTC.announce, RGTC.jyhad, RGTC.magic.rules,&lt;br /&gt;
RGTC.magic.strategy, and RGTC.magic.misc.  The renamed groups were&lt;br /&gt;
RGTC.misc and RGTC.marketplace, renamed from rec.games.deckmaster and&lt;br /&gt;
rec.games.deckmaster.marketplace, respectively.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Approvals in RGTC.announce were roughly 3 to 4 per week from December&lt;br /&gt;
1994 to July 1998.  There have been no approvals in the 8-1/2 years&lt;br /&gt;
since then.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Historical Footnote: In the CFV, the creation of the new groups was&lt;br /&gt;
handled independently from the hierarchy renaming.  Voters were first&lt;br /&gt;
asked to approve creation of rec.games.deckmaster.announce, etc.; and&lt;br /&gt;
then as a second ballot item asked to vote on renaming&lt;br /&gt;
rec.games.deckmaster.* to rec.games.trading-cards.*&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
CHARTER:&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
The newsgroup line is:&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
|rec.games.trading-cards.announce	Important news about trading card games.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
The charter extracted from the CFV:&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
This group is for various important announcements regarding trading&lt;br /&gt;
card games.  Topics include product announcements from game&lt;br /&gt;
manufacturers (Wizards of the Coast, TSR, etc.), information on&lt;br /&gt;
tournaments and gaming conventions, final versions of expansion card&lt;br /&gt;
lists (possibly along with one or two early versions, at the&lt;br /&gt;
discretion of the moderator), and other similar items.&lt;br /&gt;
...&lt;br /&gt;
Announcements of sales, auctions, or trades of cards are not permitted&lt;br /&gt;
in this group, as they belong in the newsgroup&lt;br /&gt;
rec.games.?.marketplace.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
PROCEDURE: &lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
The full group removal procedure is documented here:&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
  http://www.big-8.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=policies:rmgroup&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Those who wish to comment on this request to remove this newsgroup should&lt;br /&gt;
subscribe to news.groups.proposals and participate in the relevant threads &lt;br /&gt;
in that newsgroup.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
To this end, the followup header of this RFD has been set to &lt;br /&gt;
news.groups.proposals.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
All discussion of active proposals should be posted to news.groups.proposals.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
If desired by the readership of closely affected groups, the discussion&lt;br /&gt;
may be crossposted to those groups, but care must be taken to ensure that&lt;br /&gt;
all discussion appears in news.groups.proposals as well.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
DISTRIBUTION:&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
This document has been posted to the following newsgroups:&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
  news.announce.newgroups&lt;br /&gt;
  news.groups.proposals&lt;br /&gt;
  rec.games.trading-cards.announce&lt;br /&gt;
  rec.games.trading-cards.misc&lt;br /&gt;
  rec.games.trading-cards.magic.misc&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
The proponent will also post pointers to:&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
  rec.games.trading-cards.jyhad&lt;br /&gt;
  rec.games.trading-cards.startrek&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
PROPONENT: &lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Jim Riley &amp;lt;jimrtex@pipeline.com&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
CHANGE HISTORY: &lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
2007-02-15     1st RFD&lt;br /&gt;
&amp;lt;/pre&amp;gt;&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
		<author><name>Moleski</name></author>
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