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		<title>Tristan Miller at 19:56, 16 April 2026</title>
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				&lt;td colspan=&quot;2&quot; style=&quot;background-color: #fff; color: #202122; text-align: center;&quot;&gt;Revision as of 19:56, 16 April 2026&lt;/td&gt;
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&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;Present: TM, RL, MM&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;Present: TM, RL, MM&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td colspan=&quot;2&quot; class=&quot;diff-side-deleted&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot; data-marker=&quot;+&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;ins style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;* Software/funding&lt;/ins&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td colspan=&quot;2&quot; class=&quot;diff-side-deleted&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot; data-marker=&quot;+&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;ins style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;** The meeting collectively revised the [[Finances]] page to reflect the Board&#039;s current hosting and domain name registration expenses.&lt;/ins&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td colspan=&quot;2&quot; class=&quot;diff-side-deleted&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot; data-marker=&quot;+&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;ins style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;** It was noted that [https://opencollective.com/usenetbig8 the Board&#039;s Open Collective account] currently has a positive balance of €98.63, which is insufficient to repay outstanding expenses from RL (around €100 for hosting) and TM ($200 for the shell account).&lt;/ins&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td colspan=&quot;2&quot; class=&quot;diff-side-deleted&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot; data-marker=&quot;+&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;ins style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;** It was noted with gratitude that David Solimano has been a recurring donor to the Board&#039;s Open Collective account (€5/month) since September 2021.&lt;/ins&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td colspan=&quot;2&quot; class=&quot;diff-side-deleted&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot; data-marker=&quot;+&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;ins style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;** Board members were called upon to make a one-time donation to its Open Collective account to cover the outstanding expenses.&lt;/ins&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td colspan=&quot;2&quot; class=&quot;diff-side-deleted&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot; data-marker=&quot;+&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;ins style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;** It was agreed that TM would draft and circulate to the other Board members a fundraising letter.&lt;/ins&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td colspan=&quot;2&quot; class=&quot;diff-side-deleted&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot; data-marker=&quot;+&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;ins style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;** The meeting discussed ways of reducing its expenses, including moving to a cheaper domain name registrar (not required for now, since JE has been paying for this without reimbursement) and consolidating the hosting and shell accounts and/or moving them to cheaper hosting providers.&lt;/ins&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td colspan=&quot;2&quot; class=&quot;diff-side-deleted&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot; data-marker=&quot;+&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;ins style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;** It was agreed to send a list of hosting requirements to MM, who will draft and circulate to the other Board members an enquiry to Panix asking which, if any, of their existing services would meet them.&lt;/ins&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;* Misc&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;* Misc&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot; data-marker=&quot;−&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;** &lt;del style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;The meeting discussed a proposal from MM &lt;/del&gt;to &lt;del style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;enlarging the &lt;/del&gt;electorate for &lt;del style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;adding &lt;/del&gt;Board members&lt;del style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;.  The meeting briefly reviewed [[How the Management of the Big-8 Developed|the circumstances surrounding the establishment of the Board]] and [[Big-8_Management_FAQ#How_are_new_members_added_to_the_Board?|the existing process for adding new Board members]].  The meeting debated the necessity of reforming or replacing the existing process and discussed the pros and cons of various alternatives, including a relatively open voting system (similar to how hierarchy management decisions were made before the establishment of the Board), [https&lt;/del&gt;:&lt;del style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators#Request_for_adminship_through_consensus the consensus-based model used by Wikipedia for adding administrators] (where users hold a discussion on candidates, and a trusted cadre attempts &lt;/del&gt;to &lt;del style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;identify a general consensus in that &lt;/del&gt;discussion&lt;del style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;), and [https://github.com/thunderbird/council-docs/blob/main/BY_LAWS.md#election-procedure the voting-based model used &lt;/del&gt;to &lt;del style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;elect the Thunderbird Council] (where an electorate is formed from users meeting some defined criteria, who then vote on candidates).  It was agreed to resume the discussion at the &lt;/del&gt;next meeting.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot; data-marker=&quot;+&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;** &lt;ins style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;Proposal &lt;/ins&gt;to &lt;ins style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;enlarge &lt;/ins&gt;electorate for &lt;ins style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;selecting &lt;/ins&gt;Board members: &lt;ins style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;agreed &lt;/ins&gt;to &lt;ins style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;defer &lt;/ins&gt;discussion to next meeting.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
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		<title>Tristan Miller: Created page with &quot;Present: TM, RL, MM  * Misc ** The meeting discussed a proposal from MM to enlarging the electorate for adding Board members.  The meeting briefly reviewed the circumstances surrounding the establishment of the Board and the existing process for adding new Board members.  The meeting debated the necessity of reforming or replacing the existing process and discus...&quot;</title>
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		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;Created page with &amp;quot;Present: TM, RL, MM  * Misc ** The meeting discussed a proposal from MM to enlarging the electorate for adding Board members.  The meeting briefly reviewed &lt;a href=&quot;/wiki/How_the_Management_of_the_Big-8_Developed&quot; title=&quot;How the Management of the Big-8 Developed&quot;&gt;the circumstances surrounding the establishment of the Board&lt;/a&gt; and &lt;a href=&quot;/wiki/Big-8_Management_FAQ#How_are_new_members_added_to_the_Board?&quot; title=&quot;Big-8 Management FAQ&quot;&gt;the existing process for adding new Board members&lt;/a&gt;.  The meeting debated the necessity of reforming or replacing the existing process and discus...&amp;quot;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;b&gt;New page&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;div&gt;Present: TM, RL, MM&lt;br /&gt;
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* Misc&lt;br /&gt;
** The meeting discussed a proposal from MM to enlarging the electorate for adding Board members.  The meeting briefly reviewed [[How the Management of the Big-8 Developed|the circumstances surrounding the establishment of the Board]] and [[Big-8_Management_FAQ#How_are_new_members_added_to_the_Board?|the existing process for adding new Board members]].  The meeting debated the necessity of reforming or replacing the existing process and discussed the pros and cons of various alternatives, including a relatively open voting system (similar to how hierarchy management decisions were made before the establishment of the Board), [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators#Request_for_adminship_through_consensus the consensus-based model used by Wikipedia for adding administrators] (where users hold a discussion on candidates, and a trusted cadre attempts to identify a general consensus in that discussion), and [https://github.com/thunderbird/council-docs/blob/main/BY_LAWS.md#election-procedure the voting-based model used to elect the Thunderbird Council] (where an electorate is formed from users meeting some defined criteria, who then vote on candidates).  It was agreed to resume the discussion at the next meeting.&lt;br /&gt;
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[[Category:Meeting minutes for 2026]]&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
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