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		<title>Tristan Miller at 17:45, 20 June 2025</title>
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&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;** TM reported that there has been further developer activity on the news-related Thunderbird bugs he reported and/or triaged.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;** TM reported that there has been further developer activity on the news-related Thunderbird bugs he reported and/or triaged.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
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		<author><name>Tristan Miller</name></author>
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		<title>Tristan Miller: Created page with &quot;Present: TM, RL, MM  * Administration ** {{news|comp.lang.asm.x86}} *** RL pinged Terje on 2025-06-20 regarding setting up a moderation system with Terje. ** news.groups.proposals *** RL still investigating the best practices for transitioning to a new signing key.  TM suggested a transitional period during which both keys are used to sign messages, after which we might revoke the old key.  RL to check whether the e-mail address for the old key ID, ngp-approval-key@n...&quot;</title>
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		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;Created page with &amp;quot;Present: TM, RL, MM  * Administration ** {{news|comp.lang.asm.x86}} *** RL pinged Terje on 2025-06-20 regarding setting up a moderation system with Terje. ** &lt;a href=&quot;/wiki/News.groups.proposals&quot; title=&quot;News.groups.proposals&quot;&gt;news.groups.proposals&lt;/a&gt; *** RL still investigating the best practices for transitioning to a new signing key.  TM suggested a transitional period during which both keys are used to sign messages, after which we might revoke the old key.  RL to check whether the e-mail address for the old key ID, ngp-approval-key@n...&amp;quot;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;b&gt;New page&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;div&gt;Present: TM, RL, MM&lt;br /&gt;
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* Administration&lt;br /&gt;
** {{news|comp.lang.asm.x86}}&lt;br /&gt;
*** RL pinged Terje on 2025-06-20 regarding setting up a moderation system with Terje.&lt;br /&gt;
** [[news.groups.proposals]]&lt;br /&gt;
*** RL still investigating the best practices for transitioning to a new signing key.  TM suggested a transitional period during which both keys are used to sign messages, after which we might revoke the old key.  RL to check whether the e-mail address for the old key ID, ngp-approval-key@ngp.big-8.org, is set up to autorespond with the public key.  TM suggested that for the new key, we may want to change e-mail associated with the primary ID to something like ngp-approval-key@big-8.org so as to avoid use of a mail subdomain (and the associated problems).&lt;br /&gt;
** {{news|comp.compression.research}}&lt;br /&gt;
*** rmgroup control messages were posted on 2025-06-18 and 2025-06-19.&lt;br /&gt;
** Moderated groups without moderators&lt;br /&gt;
*** rmgroup control messages were posted on 2025-06-18 and 2025-06-19.&lt;br /&gt;
*** {{news|soc.genealogy.surnames.britain}}: RL pinged the volunteer on 2025-06-20.  If we receive no further response, we will consider removing the group in a future mass deletion at least one year from now.&lt;br /&gt;
*** {{news|rec.humor.funny}}: No further communication with Brad Templeton.&lt;br /&gt;
*** {{news|comp.newprod}}, {{news|comp.simulation}}, {{news|comp.std.announce}}, and {{news|rec.photo.moderated}}: TM publicized the MODERATOR FOUND announcements on social media, and the new moderator, Ivan Shmakov, has successfully announced the change in moderator on the groups.  The meeting also noted a discussion on {{news|news.groups.proposals}} that arose from the appointments of a new moderator.&lt;br /&gt;
*** {{news|comp.binaries.cbm}}: RL pinged the prospective moderator on 2025-06-20.&lt;br /&gt;
*** {{news|rec.arts.anime.creative}}: RL pinged the prospective moderator on 2025-06-20.&lt;br /&gt;
** {{news|soc.sexuality.general}} (non-functioning moderated group): TM is still in correspondence with two of the former moderators.&lt;br /&gt;
** {{news|soc.culture.jewish.moderated}} (non-functioning moderated group): TM posted the 2nd RFD and has written back to the former moderator and someone they nominated as a prospective moderator.&lt;br /&gt;
** {{news|comp.sys.wearables}}: On 2025-06-20 RL pinged Greg Pfeil for an update on the moderation infrastructure.  In any case, agreed to wait several more months for further action.&lt;br /&gt;
** {{news|comp.protocols.dns.bind}}: On 2025-05-02 MM pinged Dan Mahoney for an update on the mail-to-news gateway. No response yet.  In any case, agreed to wait several more months for further action.&lt;br /&gt;
** Unused comp.unix.* groups: MM gave usage statistics on the 17 groups in the comp.unix.* hierarchy he is considering proposing for deletion.  TM and RL to offer comments/proposals by e-mail, to be discussed at the next meeting.&lt;br /&gt;
* Infrastructure&lt;br /&gt;
** Decommissioning of the mail.big-8.org domain and of Mail-in-a-Box, Nextcloud, etc.&lt;br /&gt;
*** MM wrote to JE to inform him that we are planning to decommission Nextcloud and suggesting that he back up any files he has stored there.  No response yet.&lt;br /&gt;
*** MM still to investigate the decommissioning procedure and report back to a future meeting.&lt;br /&gt;
** RL fixed the permissions error from user www-data&amp;#039;s daily cron job to delete certain munin directories.&lt;br /&gt;
* Software/funding&lt;br /&gt;
** TM: No update yet on GPG signing best practices on Savannah&lt;br /&gt;
** Thunderbird 128 contact deferred given Julien&amp;#039;s comments on INN.&lt;br /&gt;
** TM still to respond to Julien.&lt;br /&gt;
** OTF IFF/NGI0/[https://www.sovereigntechfund.de/ Sovereign Tech Fund]: no further updates&lt;br /&gt;
** No response yet from JE to RL&amp;#039;s e-mails and direct messages about the OpenCollective expense.  RL to arrange for the name on the hosting account to be changed to his own.&lt;br /&gt;
** TM reported that there has been further developer activity on the news-related Thunderbird bugs he reported and/or triaged.&lt;br /&gt;
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		<author><name>Tristan Miller</name></author>
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