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		<title>Tristan Miller at 17:19, 24 January 2025</title>
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		<updated>2025-01-24T17:19:50Z</updated>

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				&lt;td colspan=&quot;2&quot; style=&quot;background-color: #fff; color: #202122; text-align: center;&quot;&gt;Revision as of 17:19, 24 January 2025&lt;/td&gt;
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&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td colspan=&quot;2&quot; class=&quot;diff-side-deleted&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot; data-marker=&quot;+&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;ins style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;&lt;/ins&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;* Administration&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;* Administration&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;** {{news|rec.arts.comics.reviews}} and {{news|rec.arts.comics.info}}&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;** {{news|rec.arts.comics.reviews}} and {{news|rec.arts.comics.info}}&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
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		<author><name>Tristan Miller</name></author>
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		<title>Tristan Miller at 05:22, 19 January 2025</title>
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		<updated>2025-01-19T05:22:49Z</updated>

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&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;** [[news.groups.proposals]]&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;** [[news.groups.proposals]]&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;*** The group&amp;#039;s signing key uses the e-mail address ngp-approval-key@ngp.big-8.org.  Agreed to leave this as-is for now, as this is just an identifier.  We can later consider adding a new identity with a new address, and/or upgrading to a GPGv2 key.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;*** The group&amp;#039;s signing key uses the e-mail address ngp-approval-key@ngp.big-8.org.  Agreed to leave this as-is for now, as this is just an identifier.  We can later consider adding a new identity with a new address, and/or upgrading to a GPGv2 key.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot; data-marker=&quot;−&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;*** E-mail from &lt;del style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;Paul Schleck &lt;/del&gt;noting that when the moderation system was moved from his infrastructure to ours, the cross-posting limit was inadvertently set too low.  RL has now raised this limit to 3.  TM drew the Board&#039;s attention to the cross-posting policy set out in the [[charter for news.groups.proposals]]: &quot;Crossposting to unmoderated newsgroups relevant to a particular proposal may be permitted, at the discretion of the moderators. With some exceptions (such as RFD announcements and FAQs), crossposting to other moderated groups is not permitted.&quot;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot; data-marker=&quot;+&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;*** E-mail from &lt;ins style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;Jonathan Kamens &lt;/ins&gt;noting that when the moderation system was moved from his infrastructure to ours, the cross-posting limit was inadvertently set too low.  RL has now raised this limit to 3.  TM drew the Board&#039;s attention to the cross-posting policy set out in the [[charter for news.groups.proposals]]: &quot;Crossposting to unmoderated newsgroups relevant to a particular proposal may be permitted, at the discretion of the moderators. With some exceptions (such as RFD announcements and FAQs), crossposting to other moderated groups is not permitted.&quot;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;** {{news|comp.compression.research}}&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;** {{news|comp.compression.research}}&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;*** TM still to prepare a group removal RFD.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;*** TM still to prepare a group removal RFD.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
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		<author><name>Tristan Miller</name></author>
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		<title>Tristan Miller: Created page with &quot;* Administration ** {{news|rec.arts.comics.reviews}} and {{news|rec.arts.comics.info}} *** TM to announce result of vote: 3 in favour of removing the groups; 1 not voting. ** {{news|comp.sys.wearables}} *** Still awaiting confirmation from Greg Pfeil that approvals are working again.  We can then announce this in {{news|news.groups.proposals}}. ** {{news|comp.protocols.dns.bind}} *** Last contact from Dan Mahoney on 2024-10-26.  Agreed to defer consideration a while long...&quot;</title>
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		<updated>2025-01-18T20:11:00Z</updated>

		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;Created page with &amp;quot;* Administration ** {{news|rec.arts.comics.reviews}} and {{news|rec.arts.comics.info}} *** TM to announce result of vote: 3 in favour of removing the groups; 1 not voting. ** {{news|comp.sys.wearables}} *** Still awaiting confirmation from Greg Pfeil that approvals are working again.  We can then announce this in {{news|news.groups.proposals}}. ** {{news|comp.protocols.dns.bind}} *** Last contact from Dan Mahoney on 2024-10-26.  Agreed to defer consideration a while long...&amp;quot;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;b&gt;New page&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;div&gt;* Administration&lt;br /&gt;
** {{news|rec.arts.comics.reviews}} and {{news|rec.arts.comics.info}}&lt;br /&gt;
*** TM to announce result of vote: 3 in favour of removing the groups; 1 not voting.&lt;br /&gt;
** {{news|comp.sys.wearables}}&lt;br /&gt;
*** Still awaiting confirmation from Greg Pfeil that approvals are working again.  We can then announce this in {{news|news.groups.proposals}}.&lt;br /&gt;
** {{news|comp.protocols.dns.bind}}&lt;br /&gt;
*** Last contact from Dan Mahoney on 2024-10-26.  Agreed to defer consideration a while longer.&lt;br /&gt;
** {{news|rec.radio.broadcasting}}&lt;br /&gt;
*** TM to announce result of vote: 3 in favour of removing the groups; 1 not voting.&lt;br /&gt;
*** The meeting noted additional discussion on the RfD objecting to the idea of using this group as a test case for demoderation and so agreed not to carry out the experiment on this group.&lt;br /&gt;
** {{news|comp.lang.asm.x86}}&lt;br /&gt;
*** No response yet to RL&amp;#039;s message to three volunteers asking for an update.  Agreed to wait one further week and then if necessary send another message.&lt;br /&gt;
** [[news.groups.proposals]]&lt;br /&gt;
*** The group&amp;#039;s signing key uses the e-mail address ngp-approval-key@ngp.big-8.org.  Agreed to leave this as-is for now, as this is just an identifier.  We can later consider adding a new identity with a new address, and/or upgrading to a GPGv2 key.&lt;br /&gt;
*** E-mail from Paul Schleck noting that when the moderation system was moved from his infrastructure to ours, the cross-posting limit was inadvertently set too low.  RL has now raised this limit to 3.  TM drew the Board&amp;#039;s attention to the cross-posting policy set out in the [[charter for news.groups.proposals]]: &amp;quot;Crossposting to unmoderated newsgroups relevant to a particular proposal may be permitted, at the discretion of the moderators. With some exceptions (such as RFD announcements and FAQs), crossposting to other moderated groups is not permitted.&amp;quot;&lt;br /&gt;
** {{news|comp.compression.research}}&lt;br /&gt;
*** TM still to prepare a group removal RFD.&lt;br /&gt;
** Moderated groups without moderators&lt;br /&gt;
*** Discussion of 1st RFD is continuing.&lt;br /&gt;
*** 2nd RFD due to be posted on 2025-01-31.&lt;br /&gt;
*** MM wrote to the user somehow posting to {{news|rec.arts.movies.reviews}} but has not yet received a response.&lt;br /&gt;
*** RL has been corresponding with with the user who volunteered to to moderate {{news|soc.genealogy.surnames.britain}}.&lt;br /&gt;
** [[news.admin.announce]]&lt;br /&gt;
*** No response yet from Tim Skirvin regarding whether he still wants to moderate the group.  TM to ping him one final time.&lt;br /&gt;
* Infrastructure&lt;br /&gt;
** Status of cron jobs for offsite backups:  No further update from RL.&lt;br /&gt;
** Remote monitoring&lt;br /&gt;
*** MM still liaising with Ivo Gandolfo to set up remote monitoring.&lt;br /&gt;
** Monitoring status check warning&lt;br /&gt;
*** RL to change the domain in the From address for the status reports from mail.big-8.org to big-8.org to avoid future delivery errors.&lt;br /&gt;
* Software/funding&lt;br /&gt;
** TM: No update yet on GPG signing best practices on Savannah&lt;br /&gt;
** Thunderbird 128 contact deferred given Julien&amp;#039;s comments on INN.&lt;br /&gt;
** TM still to respond to Julien.&lt;br /&gt;
** OTF IFF/NGI0/[https://www.sovereigntechfund.de/ Sovereign Tech Fund]: no further updates&lt;br /&gt;
* Misc&lt;br /&gt;
** Paul Schleck proposals: no further progress.&lt;br /&gt;
** BDCAM25: TM met with Katie Szilagyi to plan their talk on legal aspects of Usenet research.  RL and TM to start discussing their talk via e-mail.&lt;br /&gt;
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[[Category:Meeting minutes for 2025]]&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
		<author><name>Tristan Miller</name></author>
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