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		<title>Tristan Miller at 17:50, 22 November 2024</title>
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				&lt;td colspan=&quot;2&quot; style=&quot;background-color: #fff; color: #202122; text-align: center;&quot;&gt;Revision as of 17:50, 22 November 2024&lt;/td&gt;
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&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;*** RL has confirmed the STUMP instance is working, and the ISC has been notified of the new submission address.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;*** RL has confirmed the STUMP instance is working, and the ISC has been notified of the new submission address.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;*** RL changed the MX records on ngp.big-8.org to point to our own mail server and set up aliases for the old addresses to forward to us.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;*** RL changed the MX records on ngp.big-8.org to point to our own mail server and set up aliases for the old addresses to forward to us.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td colspan=&quot;2&quot; class=&quot;diff-side-deleted&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot; data-marker=&quot;+&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;ins style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;*** RL to set up STUMP accounts for MM and TM.&lt;/ins&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;*** The group&amp;#039;s signing key uses the e-mail address ngp-approval-key@ngp.big-8.org.  Agreed to leave this as-is for now, as this is just an identifier.  We can later consider adding a new identity with a new address, and/or upgrading to a GPGv2 key.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;*** The group&amp;#039;s signing key uses the e-mail address ngp-approval-key@ngp.big-8.org.  Agreed to leave this as-is for now, as this is just an identifier.  We can later consider adding a new identity with a new address, and/or upgrading to a GPGv2 key.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td colspan=&quot;2&quot; class=&quot;diff-side-deleted&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot; data-marker=&quot;+&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;ins style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;** {{news|news.newusers.questions}} and {{news|news.announce.newusers}}&lt;/ins&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td colspan=&quot;2&quot; class=&quot;diff-side-deleted&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot; data-marker=&quot;+&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;ins style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;*** RL to set up STUMP accounts for MM and TM.&lt;/ins&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;** Moderated groups without moderators&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;** Moderated groups without moderators&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;*** MM noted that the submission address for {{news|comp.compression.research}} (at albasani.net, whose registrant passed away) is no longer working.  Agreed that we would consider an MVI in the near future.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;*** MM noted that the submission address for {{news|comp.compression.research}} (at albasani.net, whose registrant passed away) is no longer working.  Agreed that we would consider an MVI in the near future.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
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		<author><name>Tristan Miller</name></author>
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		<id>https://www.big-8.org/w/index.php?title=Minutes/2024-11-22&amp;diff=3980&amp;oldid=prev</id>
		<title>Tristan Miller: Created page with &quot;Present: RL, TM, MM  * Administration ** {{news|rec.arts.comics.reviews}} and {{news|rec.arts.comics.info}} *** TM posted the RFD.  Tim Skirvin responded that he&#039;s not aware of anyone having taken over {{news|rec.arts.comics.reviews}} and doesn&#039;t remember if anyone else moderated either group.  Agreed to let the RFD continue for at least a couple weeks. ** {{news|comp.sys.wearables}} *** No response yet from Greg Pfeil to RL&#039;s offer of 2024-11-15 to (temporarily) host a...&quot;</title>
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		<updated>2024-11-22T17:47:30Z</updated>

		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;Created page with &amp;quot;Present: RL, TM, MM  * Administration ** {{news|rec.arts.comics.reviews}} and {{news|rec.arts.comics.info}} *** TM posted the RFD.  Tim Skirvin responded that he&amp;#039;s not aware of anyone having taken over {{news|rec.arts.comics.reviews}} and doesn&amp;#039;t remember if anyone else moderated either group.  Agreed to let the RFD continue for at least a couple weeks. ** {{news|comp.sys.wearables}} *** No response yet from Greg Pfeil to RL&amp;#039;s offer of 2024-11-15 to (temporarily) host a...&amp;quot;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;b&gt;New page&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;div&gt;Present: RL, TM, MM&lt;br /&gt;
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* Administration&lt;br /&gt;
** {{news|rec.arts.comics.reviews}} and {{news|rec.arts.comics.info}}&lt;br /&gt;
*** TM posted the RFD.  Tim Skirvin responded that he&amp;#039;s not aware of anyone having taken over {{news|rec.arts.comics.reviews}} and doesn&amp;#039;t remember if anyone else moderated either group.  Agreed to let the RFD continue for at least a couple weeks.&lt;br /&gt;
** {{news|comp.sys.wearables}}&lt;br /&gt;
*** No response yet from Greg Pfeil to RL&amp;#039;s offer of 2024-11-15 to (temporarily) host a STUMP installation for the group, pending setup of his own moderation system.&lt;br /&gt;
** {{news|comp.protocols.dns.bind}}&lt;br /&gt;
*** Last contact from Dan Mahoney on 2024-10-26.  Agreed to defer consideration a while longer.&lt;br /&gt;
** {{news|rec.radio.broadcasting}}&lt;br /&gt;
*** Last contact from Jay Henning on 2024-10-31.  Agreed that RL would write again to indicate that the Board will proceed with its vote if no meaningful progress on moderation is made by 2024-12-06.&lt;br /&gt;
** {{news|comp.os.plan9}}&lt;br /&gt;
*** Anthony confirmed that moderation infrastructure is in place.  TM to write to him for the details so that we can forward these to the ISC; once the group is confirmed to be working again we&amp;#039;ll close the MVI and announce the change in moderator.&lt;br /&gt;
** {{news|comp.lang.asm.x86}}&lt;br /&gt;
*** No further activity on the MVI since 2024-11-01, and last contact with Terje Mathisen on 2024-10-18.  RL still to write to Terje Mathisen and encourage him to get in touch with the other volunteers.&lt;br /&gt;
** [[news.groups.proposals]]&lt;br /&gt;
*** RL has confirmed the STUMP instance is working, and the ISC has been notified of the new submission address.&lt;br /&gt;
*** RL changed the MX records on ngp.big-8.org to point to our own mail server and set up aliases for the old addresses to forward to us.&lt;br /&gt;
*** The group&amp;#039;s signing key uses the e-mail address ngp-approval-key@ngp.big-8.org.  Agreed to leave this as-is for now, as this is just an identifier.  We can later consider adding a new identity with a new address, and/or upgrading to a GPGv2 key.&lt;br /&gt;
** Moderated groups without moderators&lt;br /&gt;
*** MM noted that the submission address for {{news|comp.compression.research}} (at albasani.net, whose registrant passed away) is no longer working.  Agreed that we would consider an MVI in the near future.&lt;br /&gt;
*** MM noted that there are a further 140 moderated groups with a submission address set to [mailto:mod-bounce.no-mod-info@isc.org mod-bounce.no-mod-info@isc.org].  Agreed that we should do a mass MVI/RFD for these in the near future, after reviewing how mass group removals were done in the past.&lt;br /&gt;
* Infrastructure&lt;br /&gt;
** MM has no accounts on services that Jitsi Meet uses for authentication.  RL to try authenticating to Jitsi (via a third-party service such as Google, Facebook, or GitHub) before joining the meeting room to see if this lets him in.  This can be tested at any time.&lt;br /&gt;
** MM has set up a moderation relay on his own infrastructure and informed Todd, but this is not yet active with ISC.&lt;br /&gt;
** Status of cron jobs for offsite backups:  No further progress by RL.&lt;br /&gt;
** Status of remote monitoring: No further progress by MM.&lt;br /&gt;
* Software/funding&lt;br /&gt;
** TM: No update yet on GPG signing best practices on Savannah&lt;br /&gt;
** Thunderbird 128 contact deferred given Julien&amp;#039;s comments on INN.&lt;br /&gt;
** TM still to respond to Julien.&lt;br /&gt;
** OTF IFF/NGI0/[https://www.sovereigntechfund.de/ Sovereign Tech Fund]: no further updates&lt;br /&gt;
* Misc&lt;br /&gt;
** Paul Schleck proposals: no further progress.&lt;br /&gt;
** Agreed to cancel the 29 November meetings in light of TM&amp;#039;s unavailability and RL&amp;#039;s potential unavailability.&lt;br /&gt;
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[[Category:Meeting minutes for 2024]]&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
		<author><name>Tristan Miller</name></author>
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