https://www.big-8.org/w/index.php?action=history&feed=atom&title=Minutes%2F2022-08-19Minutes/2022-08-19 - Revision history2026-05-15T07:09:34ZRevision history for this page on the wikiMediaWiki 1.43.1https://www.big-8.org/w/index.php?title=Minutes/2022-08-19&diff=3433&oldid=prevTristan Miller at 18:02, 19 August 20222022-08-19T18:02:02Z<p></p>
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</table>Tristan Millerhttps://www.big-8.org/w/index.php?title=Minutes/2022-08-19&diff=3432&oldid=prevTristan Miller: Created page with "Present: TM, JE, RL * Administration ** {{news|comp.os.linux.announce}} *** No response from ISC re change in moderator. TM to ping ISC. ** {{news|rec.radio.amateur.moderate..."2022-08-19T16:12:01Z<p>Created page with "Present: TM, JE, RL * Administration ** {{news|comp.os.linux.announce}} *** No response from ISC re change in moderator. TM to ping ISC. ** {{news|rec.radio.amateur.moderate..."</p>
<p><b>New page</b></p><div>Present: TM, JE, RL<br />
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* Administration<br />
** {{news|comp.os.linux.announce}}<br />
*** No response from ISC re change in moderator. TM to ping ISC.<br />
** {{news|rec.radio.amateur.moderated}} and {{news|rec.radio.info}} are seeking additional moderators, per {{article|tbgvf3$n4$1@reader2.panix.com}}. Not (presently) an issue for the Board, since the existing moderators can handle things, but it was agreed to note the call in the minutes in order to help spread the word.<br />
* Misc<br />
** Meeting with other hierarchy admins<br />
*** Michael of the de.* hierarchy has RSVP'd for the meeting on 19 August 2022 at 19:00 CEST.<br />
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[[Category:Meeting minutes for 2022]]</div>Tristan Miller