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		<title>Tristan Miller: Category:Meeting minutes for 2020</title>
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		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;/wiki/Category:Meeting_minutes_for_2020&quot; title=&quot;Category:Meeting minutes for 2020&quot;&gt;Category:Meeting minutes for 2020&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
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				&lt;td colspan=&quot;2&quot; style=&quot;background-color: #fff; color: #202122; text-align: center;&quot;&gt;Revision as of 11:48, 10 November 2020&lt;/td&gt;
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&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;JE reported that he is working on a netiquette guide (in short and expanded versions).&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;JE reported that he is working on a netiquette guide (in short and expanded versions).&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
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		<author><name>Tristan Miller</name></author>
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		<title>Tristan Miller: /* STUMP */ link newsgroups</title>
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		<updated>2020-08-09T07:55:08Z</updated>

		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;autocomment&quot;&gt;STUMP: &lt;/span&gt; link newsgroups&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;TM has discovered that STUMP and WebSTUMP are [https://www.gnu.org/manual/blurbs.html listed as official GNU packages], though no mention of this is made in the STUMP and WebSTUMP source and documentation, and the packages look nothing like GNU packages.  If STUMP and WebSTUMP really are GNU packages, then our takeover will probably require the blessing of GNU and this will affect our development plans (where to host the code, how to format the code and documentation, etc.). Alternatively, we could fork the project.  TM to write to GNU to get their side of the story.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;TM has discovered that STUMP and WebSTUMP are [https://www.gnu.org/manual/blurbs.html listed as official GNU packages], though no mention of this is made in the STUMP and WebSTUMP source and documentation, and the packages look nothing like GNU packages.  If STUMP and WebSTUMP really are GNU packages, then our takeover will probably require the blessing of GNU and this will affect our development plans (where to host the code, how to format the code and documentation, etc.). Alternatively, we could fork the project.  TM to write to GNU to get their side of the story.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot; data-marker=&quot;−&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;JE reported that Kathy Morgan has confirmed that she&#039;s the moderator of both news.newusers.questions and news.announce.newusers but no longer has access to Usenet, so we can decide what to do about these groups.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot; data-marker=&quot;+&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;JE reported that Kathy Morgan has confirmed that she&#039;s the moderator of both &lt;ins style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;{{news|&lt;/ins&gt;news.newusers.questions&lt;ins style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;}} &lt;/ins&gt;and &lt;ins style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;{{news|&lt;/ins&gt;news.announce.newusers&lt;ins style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;}} &lt;/ins&gt;but no longer has access to Usenet, so we can decide what to do about these groups.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
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&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;== Misc ==&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;== Misc ==&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
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		<author><name>Tristan Miller</name></author>
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		<title>Tristan Miller: Created page with &quot;Present: TM, RL, JE  == STUMP ==  RL reported that our GitHub account has been verified.  RL reported that Igor Chudov hasn&#039;t said whether there&#039;s an archive of previous versi...&quot;</title>
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		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;Created page with &amp;quot;Present: TM, RL, JE  == STUMP ==  RL reported that our GitHub account has been verified.  RL reported that Igor Chudov hasn&amp;#039;t said whether there&amp;#039;s an archive of previous versi...&amp;quot;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;b&gt;New page&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;div&gt;Present: TM, RL, JE&lt;br /&gt;
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== STUMP ==&lt;br /&gt;
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RL reported that our GitHub account has been verified.&lt;br /&gt;
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RL reported that Igor Chudov hasn&amp;#039;t said whether there&amp;#039;s an archive of previous versions or a source code repository, but said that he is happy for us to take over maintenance of the project and to migrate it to GitHub, provided he is listed as the author given access.&lt;br /&gt;
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TM has imported the code for STUMP 2.4 and 2.5 and WebSTUMP 2.0 into GitHub repositories ([https://github.com/UsenetBig8/STUMP STUMP] and [https://github.com/UsenetBig8/WebSTUMP WebSTUMP]) and posted (and solved) some issues.  RL to update the code to get it working with modern versions of Perl.  TM and JE to import and convert the documentation from the STUMP website.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
TM has discovered that STUMP and WebSTUMP are [https://www.gnu.org/manual/blurbs.html listed as official GNU packages], though no mention of this is made in the STUMP and WebSTUMP source and documentation, and the packages look nothing like GNU packages.  If STUMP and WebSTUMP really are GNU packages, then our takeover will probably require the blessing of GNU and this will affect our development plans (where to host the code, how to format the code and documentation, etc.). Alternatively, we could fork the project.  TM to write to GNU to get their side of the story.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
JE reported that Kathy Morgan has confirmed that she&amp;#039;s the moderator of both news.newusers.questions and news.announce.newusers but no longer has access to Usenet, so we can decide what to do about these groups.&lt;br /&gt;
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== Misc ==&lt;br /&gt;
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JE has been in touch with David Lawrence, author of &amp;#039;&amp;#039;[https://openlibrary.org/works/OL16456330W?edition=managingusenet00spen Managing Usenet]&amp;#039;&amp;#039;.  He was a pre-Board member and moderator of {{news|news.announce.newgroups}}.&lt;br /&gt;
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== Admin ==&lt;br /&gt;
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TM suggested posting an official announcement to {{news|news.announce.newgroups}} about the Board&amp;#039;s new website and the availability of our meeting minutes.  TM to prepare and circulate a draft for adoption by the rest the Board.&lt;br /&gt;
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== Wiki ==&lt;br /&gt;
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TM reported no progress yet on the survey of Board policies.&lt;br /&gt;
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JE reported that he is working on a netiquette guide (in short and expanded versions).&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
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