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	Most providers have a mechanism for requesting that new groups be added. If you follow this procedure, chances are that you will obtain access to the group via your normal source.		Most providers have a mechanism for requesting that new groups be added. If you follow this procedure, chances are that you will obtain access to the group via your normal source.

	~~In the meantime, you can access it by pointing your news reader to news.killfile.org.~~

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			This page presents a list of frequently asked questions (FAQ) for the newsgroup {{news\|news.groups.proposals}}. You can find general information about this newsgroup on [[news.groups.proposals\|its web page]].

	== What's wrong with discussing proposals for new groups in news.groups? ==		== What's wrong with discussing proposals for new groups in news.groups? ==

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	~~__NOTOC__~~		== What's wrong with discussing proposals for new groups in news.groups? ==
	This moderated newsgroup was created in November 2006 to address issues with [[ng\|the news.groups newsgroup]]. As described in the [[Charter for news.groups.proposals\|n.g.p. charter]], the goal was to provide a "healthy environment where ideas can be raised, discussed, and developed."

	~~news.groups.proposals is used primarily in step 3 of the [[How_to_Create_a_New_Big-8_Newsgroup\|newsgroup creation process]].~~

	To remove the flames, attacks, and other noise from this phase of the discussion, news.groups.proposals is moderated. The moderators try to insure that articles relate to a newsgroup proposal and are civil. '''Dissenting opinions are encouraged.''' For additional information on the moderation policy, refer to the [[Moderation policy for news.groups.proposals\|n.g.p moderation policy]].

	You should be able to submit articles to news.groups.proposals just as you do for any other newsgroups. If you find that your news provider has misconfigured the group as unmoderated, you can email submissions to [mailto:ngp@ngp.big-8.org ngp@ngp.big-8.org].

	~~If you have problems (including misconfiguration of the group by your provider) or questions, the administrative address for the group is [mailto:ngp-board@ngp.big-8.org ngp-board@ngp.big-8.org]~~

	~~=== Frequently Asked Questions ===~~

	==== What's wrong with discussing proposals for new groups in news.groups? ====

	[[ng\|The news.groups newsgroup]] has a significant place in the history of Usenet and has served as the spot for discussing potential new groups since there were enough participants to make it an issue. (Before then, new groups were created simply by submitting an article to them; the news software created the new group on the fly.)		[[ng\|The news.groups newsgroup]] has a significant place in the history of Usenet and has served as the spot for discussing potential new groups since there were enough participants to make it an issue. (Before then, new groups were created simply by submitting an article to them; the news software created the new group on the fly.)
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	In order to address these issues, the [[b8mb\|members of the Board]] proposed a new location for discussion of new groups. This group encourages dissenting opinions that are expressed in a civil way.		In order to address these issues, the [[b8mb\|members of the Board]] proposed a new location for discussion of new groups. This group encourages dissenting opinions that are expressed in a civil way.

	==== Does all discussion of an RFD have to take place in n.g.p? ====		== Does all discussion of an RFD have to take place in n.g.p? ==
	* n.g.p is the place to create an "official" record of the key decisions made by proponents.		* n.g.p is the place to create an "official" record of the key decisions made by proponents.
	* Discussion, of course, may take place anywhere in Usenet. No one can stop anyone from talking about the RFD wherever they wish.		* Discussion, of course, may take place anywhere in Usenet. No one can stop anyone from talking about the RFD wherever they wish.
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	* Further details [[Newsgroup_Creation_FAQ#Discussing_the_RFD\|about the responsibilities of the proponent(s) during the discussion of the RFD]].		* Further details [[Newsgroup_Creation_FAQ#Discussing_the_RFD\|about the responsibilities of the proponent(s) during the discussion of the RFD]].

	==== Why should I participate in news.groups.proposals? ====		== Why should I participate in news.groups.proposals? ==

	The Board needs to follow the discussion so that they are well informed to vote on the group's creation, and it is the discussion in news.groups.proposals that they read. Comments in other newsgroups, including news.groups, '''may''' be seen by the Board but they are not required to follow discussion in other groups, so such comments are not "official". To insure that your comments are seen by the Board, make them in news.groups.proposals.		The Board needs to follow the discussion so that they are well informed to vote on the group's creation, and it is the discussion in news.groups.proposals that they read. Comments in other newsgroups, including news.groups, '''may''' be seen by the Board but they are not required to follow discussion in other groups, so such comments are not "official". To insure that your comments are seen by the Board, make them in news.groups.proposals.

	==== Why was my submission to news.groups.proposals rejected? ====		== Why was my submission to news.groups.proposals rejected? ==

	* The subject area of news.groups.proposals is clear -- discussion of newsgroup proposals. If your comments are not '''substantially''' about a proposal, they will be rejected. Threads tend to drift, and sometimes the discussion drifts away from the actual proposal into general technical or policy issues. The moderators make a judgment call on whether individual submissions contribute to the discussion of the proposed group or belong in news.groups or another venue.		* The subject area of news.groups.proposals is clear -- discussion of newsgroup proposals. If your comments are not '''substantially''' about a proposal, they will be rejected. Threads tend to drift, and sometimes the discussion drifts away from the actual proposal into general technical or policy issues. The moderators make a judgment call on whether individual submissions contribute to the discussion of the proposed group or belong in news.groups or another venue.
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	For additional information on the moderation policy, refer to [[n.g.p moderation policies]].		For additional information on the moderation policy, refer to [[n.g.p moderation policies]].

	==== I submitted my article and it's not showing up in the group ====		== I submitted my article and it's not showing up in the group ==

	Remember that news.groups.proposals is a ''moderated'' group. That means that you will not see your article instantly on your news server. Your server emails the article to the group's submission address and it waits there for a human moderator to approve it. Please do not resubmit your article because it did not immediately show in your news reader like you're used to.		Remember that news.groups.proposals is a ''moderated'' group. That means that you will not see your article instantly on your news server. Your server emails the article to the group's submission address and it waits there for a human moderator to approve it. Please do not resubmit your article because it did not immediately show in your news reader like you're used to.
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	Assuming that you used a valid email address, you will receive a confirmation email when your article is received by the moderation system, and another when it is approved.		Assuming that you used a valid email address, you will receive a confirmation email when your article is received by the moderation system, and another when it is approved.

	==== My Usenet feed doesn't include news.groups.proposals ====		== My Usenet feed doesn't include news.groups.proposals ==

	Most providers have a mechanism for requesting that new groups be added. If you follow this procedure, chances are that you will obtain access to the group via your normal source.		Most providers have a mechanism for requesting that new groups be added. If you follow this procedure, chances are that you will obtain access to the group via your normal source.

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	To remove the flames, attacks, and other noise from this phase of the discussion, news.groups.proposals is moderated. The moderators try to insure that articles relate to a newsgroup proposal and are civil. '''Dissenting opinions are encouraged.''' For additional information on the moderation policy, refer to the [[Moderation policy for news.groups.proposals\|n.g.p moderation policy]].		To remove the flames, attacks, and other noise from this phase of the discussion, news.groups.proposals is moderated. The moderators try to insure that articles relate to a newsgroup proposal and are civil. '''Dissenting opinions are encouraged.''' For additional information on the moderation policy, refer to the [[Moderation policy for news.groups.proposals\|n.g.p moderation policy]].

	You should be able to submit articles to news.groups.proposals just as you do for any other newsgroups. If you find that your news provider has misconfigured the group as unmoderated, you can email submissions to ngp@ngp.big-8.org.		You should be able to submit articles to news.groups.proposals just as you do for any other newsgroups. If you find that your news provider has misconfigured the group as unmoderated, you can email submissions to [mailto:ngp@ngp.big-8.org ngp@ngp.big-8.org].

	If you have problems (including misconfiguration of the group by your provider) or questions, the administrative address for the group is [mailto:ngp-board@ngp.big-8.org ngp-board@ngp.big-8.org]		If you have problems (including misconfiguration of the group by your provider) or questions, the administrative address for the group is [mailto:ngp-board@ngp.big-8.org ngp-board@ngp.big-8.org]

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	This moderated newsgroup was created in November 2006 to address issues with [[ng\|the news.groups newsgroup]]. As described in the [[Charter for news.groups.proposals\|n.g.p. charter]], the goal was to provide a "healthy environment where ideas can be raised, discussed, and developed."		This moderated newsgroup was created in November 2006 to address issues with [[ng\|the news.groups newsgroup]]. As described in the [[Charter for news.groups.proposals\|n.g.p. charter]], the goal was to provide a "healthy environment where ideas can be raised, discussed, and developed."

	news.groups.proposals is used primarily in step 3 of the [[~~creation~~\|newsgroup creation process]].		news.groups.proposals is used primarily in step 3 of the [[How_to_Create_a_New_Big-8_Newsgroup\|newsgroup creation process]].

	To remove the flames, attacks, and other noise from this phase of the discussion, news.groups.proposals is moderated. The moderators try to insure that articles relate to a newsgroup proposal and are civil. '''Dissenting opinions are encouraged.''' For additional information on the moderation policy, refer to the [[Moderation policy for news.groups.proposals\|n.g.p moderation policy]].		To remove the flames, attacks, and other noise from this phase of the discussion, news.groups.proposals is moderated. The moderators try to insure that articles relate to a newsgroup proposal and are civil. '''Dissenting opinions are encouraged.''' For additional information on the moderation policy, refer to the [[Moderation policy for news.groups.proposals\|n.g.p moderation policy]].
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	Most providers have a mechanism for requesting that new groups be added. If you follow this procedure, chances are that you will obtain access to the group via your normal source.		Most providers have a mechanism for requesting that new groups be added. If you follow this procedure, chances are that you will obtain access to the group via your normal source.

	In the meantime, you can access it ~~at http://news.killfile.org/?group=news.groups.proposals or~~ by pointing your news reader to news.killfile.org.		In the meantime, you can access it by pointing your news reader to news.killfile.org.

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	In the meantime, you can access it at http://news.killfile.org/?group=news.groups.proposals or by pointing your news reader to news.killfile.org.		In the meantime, you can access it at http://news.killfile.org/?group=news.groups.proposals or by pointing your news reader to news.killfile.org.

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	news.groups.proposals is used primarily in step 3 of the [[creation\|newsgroup creation process]].		news.groups.proposals is used primarily in step 3 of the [[creation\|newsgroup creation process]].

	To remove the flames, attacks, and other noise from this phase of the discussion, news.groups.proposals is moderated. The moderators try to insure that articles relate to a newsgroup proposal and are civil. '''Dissenting opinions are encouraged.''' For additional information on the moderation policy, refer to [[~~mods~~ moderation ~~policies~~]].		To remove the flames, attacks, and other noise from this phase of the discussion, news.groups.proposals is moderated. The moderators try to insure that articles relate to a newsgroup proposal and are civil. '''Dissenting opinions are encouraged.''' For additional information on the moderation policy, refer to the [[Moderation policy for news.groups.proposals\|n.g.p moderation policy]].

	You should be able to submit articles to news.groups.proposals just as you do for any other newsgroups. If you find that your news provider has misconfigured the group as unmoderated, you can email submissions to ngp@ngp.big-8.org.		You should be able to submit articles to news.groups.proposals just as you do for any other newsgroups. If you find that your news provider has misconfigured the group as unmoderated, you can email submissions to ngp@ngp.big-8.org.

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	__NOTOC__		__NOTOC__

	This moderated newsgroup was created in November 2006 to address issues with [[ng\|the news.groups newsgroup]]. As described in the [[Charter for news.groups.proposals\|n.g.p. charter]], the goal was to provide a "healthy environment where ideas can be raised, discussed, and developed."		This moderated newsgroup was created in November 2006 to address issues with [[ng\|the news.groups newsgroup]]. As described in the [[Charter for news.groups.proposals\|n.g.p. charter]], the goal was to provide a "healthy environment where ideas can be raised, discussed, and developed."

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	[[ng\|The news.groups newsgroup]] has a significant place in the history of Usenet and has served as the spot for discussing potential new groups since there were enough participants to make it an issue. (Before then, new groups were created simply by submitting an article to them; the news software created the new group on the fly.)		[[ng\|The news.groups newsgroup]] has a significant place in the history of Usenet and has served as the spot for discussing potential new groups since there were enough participants to make it an issue. (Before then, new groups were created simply by submitting an article to them; the news software created the new group on the fly.)

	[[~~History of news~~.groups\|Even from its early days,]] there were issues with discussions in news.groups. (An article from 1982 refers to "the flaming [that] has gone on for a while", and calls news.groups "the silliest group on the net".) Regular participants in news.groups learn to cope with flames, insults, and other disruptive behavior. Coping mechanisms include software killfiles and learning that certain individuals are in news.groups not to provide constructive criticism but simply to play with the system.		[[Big-8_Usenet_hierarchies#History_of_news.groups\|Even from its early days,]] there were issues with discussions in news.groups. (An article from 1982 refers to "the flaming [that] has gone on for a while", and calls news.groups "the silliest group on the net".) Regular participants in news.groups learn to cope with flames, insults, and other disruptive behavior. Coping mechanisms include software killfiles and learning that certain individuals are in news.groups not to provide constructive criticism but simply to play with the system.

	Proponents for new groups were required by the group-creation process to participate in the discussion of their proposal in news.groups. Some proponents are intimidated by this prospect since they do not have the coping mechanisms employed by news.groups regulars. Supporters and potential participants in new groups are not likely to understand the dynamics of news.groups and thus the discussion process is discouraged.		Proponents for new groups were required by the group-creation process to participate in the discussion of their proposal in news.groups. Some proponents are intimidated by this prospect since they do not have the coping mechanisms employed by news.groups regulars. Supporters and potential participants in new groups are not likely to understand the dynamics of news.groups and thus the discussion process is discouraged.

	In order to address these issues, the [[~~members~~\|members of the Board]] proposed a new location for discussion of new groups. This group encourages dissenting opinions that are expressed in a civil way.		In order to address these issues, the [[b8mb\|members of the Board]] proposed a new location for discussion of new groups. This group encourages dissenting opinions that are expressed in a civil way.

	==== Does all discussion of an RFD have to take place in n.g.p? ====		==== Does all discussion of an RFD have to take place in n.g.p? ====
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	* Discussion, of course, may take place anywhere in Usenet. No one can stop anyone from talking about the RFD wherever they wish.		* Discussion, of course, may take place anywhere in Usenet. No one can stop anyone from talking about the RFD wherever they wish.
	* Proponents may take note of such other discussions if they wish. To enter the results of those discussions into the record, they should mention them in the appropriate thread(s) in n.g.p.		* Proponents may take note of such other discussions if they wish. To enter the results of those discussions into the record, they should mention them in the appropriate thread(s) in n.g.p.
	* Further details [[~~creation~~#~~discussing_the_rfd~~\|~~here~~]].		* Further details [[Newsgroup_Creation_FAQ#Discussing_the_RFD\|about the responsibilities of the proponent(s) during the discussion of the RFD]].

	==== Why should I participate in news.groups.proposals? ====		==== Why should I participate in news.groups.proposals? ====