Changing the Moderation Status of Existing Groups - Revision history

Rayner Lucas: /* Newsgroups may be changed: */ Fixed mistake

2023-08-26T02:46:26Z

Newsgroups may be changed:: Fixed mistake

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	;From unmoderated to moderated.		;From unmoderated to moderated.
	:Changing a group from unmoderated to moderated is "strongly discouraged" - which, in practice, means "practically impossible."		:Changing a group from unmoderated to moderated is "strongly discouraged" - which, in practice, means "practically impossible."
	** There are many News Service Providers who would not make the change. Some people would see a moderated group, others with different NSPs would see the ~~moderated~~ version.		** There are many News Service Providers who would not make the change. Some people would see a moderated group, others with different NSPs would see the unmoderated version.
	** Such changes in the past have cultivated massive resentments. Leaving the original group intact and creating a companion moderated group allows group members to have a choice between the two different kinds of newsgroups on the same topic.		** Such changes in the past have cultivated massive resentments. Leaving the original group intact and creating a companion moderated group allows group members to have a choice between the two different kinds of newsgroups on the same topic.
	** In all likelihood, the board won't even publish an RFD to change a group from unmoderated to moderated. A proposal for such a change should not be submitted unless the group finds a way to demonstrate virtual unanimity. We '''strongly recommend''' that you instead spend your effort on learning how to use filters or how to create a moderated companion to the original group.		** In all likelihood, the board won't even publish an RFD to change a group from unmoderated to moderated. A proposal for such a change should not be submitted unless the group finds a way to demonstrate virtual unanimity. We '''strongly recommend''' that you instead spend your effort on learning how to use filters or how to create a moderated companion to the original group.

Tristan Miller: restoring from Kathy Morgan's static wiki

2020-06-28T19:20:21Z

restoring from Kathy Morgan's static wiki

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	* If the post is approved, either automatically by software or by a human decision, the "approved" header is added to the post.		* If the post is approved, either automatically by software or by a human decision, the "approved" header is added to the post.
	* The post is then injected via NNTP into a news server, which then shares it with its peers.		* The post is then injected via NNTP into a news server, which then shares it with its peers.

	~~== Jim Riley's Surveys of Moderated Group Acitivity ==~~

	~~Jim has done a number of surveys of the traffic activity in moderated Big-8 newsgroups.~~

	[http://groups.google.com/groups?q=group%3Anews.groups+insubject%3A%22Moderated+insubject%3AGroup+insubject%3AActivity%22+author%3A%22Jim+author%3ARiley%22&start=0&scoring=d&num=10&hl=en&lr=&as_drrb=q&as_mind=1&as_minm=1&as_miny=1981&as_maxd=26&as_maxm=3&as_maxy=2006&safe=off&^ Google news.groups for the surveys]

	[[Category:Big-8 Management]]		[[Category:Big-8 Management]]
	[[Category:Moderation]]		[[Category:Moderation]]

Moleski: /* Jim Riley's Surveys of Moderated Group Acitivity */

2010-07-07T21:00:28Z

Jim Riley's Surveys of Moderated Group Acitivity

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	[[Category:Big-8 Management]]		[[Category:Big-8 Management]]
			[[Category:Moderation]]

Moleski: /* Jim Riley's Surveys of Moderated Group Acitivity */

2010-07-07T18:10:51Z

Jim Riley's Surveys of Moderated Group Acitivity

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	[http://groups.google.com/groups?q=group%3Anews.groups+insubject%3A%22Moderated+insubject%3AGroup+insubject%3AActivity%22+author%3A%22Jim+author%3ARiley%22&start=0&scoring=d&num=10&hl=en&lr=&as_drrb=q&as_mind=1&as_minm=1&as_miny=1981&as_maxd=26&as_maxm=3&as_maxy=2006&safe=off&^ Google news.groups for the surveys]		[http://groups.google.com/groups?q=group%3Anews.groups+insubject%3A%22Moderated+insubject%3AGroup+insubject%3AActivity%22+author%3A%22Jim+author%3ARiley%22&start=0&scoring=d&num=10&hl=en&lr=&as_drrb=q&as_mind=1&as_minm=1&as_miny=1981&as_maxd=26&as_maxm=3&as_maxy=2006&safe=off&^ Google news.groups for the surveys]

			[[Category:Big-8 Management]]

Moleski: /* Newsgroups may be changed: */

2010-07-06T14:20:40Z

Newsgroups may be changed:

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	** Such changes in the past have cultivated massive resentments. Leaving the original group intact and creating a companion moderated group allows group members to have a choice between the two different kinds of newsgroups on the same topic.		** Such changes in the past have cultivated massive resentments. Leaving the original group intact and creating a companion moderated group allows group members to have a choice between the two different kinds of newsgroups on the same topic.
	** In all likelihood, the board won't even publish an RFD to change a group from unmoderated to moderated. A proposal for such a change should not be submitted unless the group finds a way to demonstrate virtual unanimity. We '''strongly recommend''' that you instead spend your effort on learning how to use filters or how to create a moderated companion to the original group.		** In all likelihood, the board won't even publish an RFD to change a group from unmoderated to moderated. A proposal for such a change should not be submitted unless the group finds a way to demonstrate virtual unanimity. We '''strongly recommend''' that you instead spend your effort on learning how to use filters or how to create a moderated companion to the original group.
	** Examples of change from unmoderated to moderated:[http://groups.google.com/group/news.groups/msg/3e189abacbfb8d7?hl=en *]		** Examples of change from unmoderated to moderated:[http://groups.google.com/group/news.groups/msg/3e189abacbfb8d7?hl=en]
	<pre>		<pre>
	I think the RFD's for most are here. In many cases, there is the		I think the RFD's for most are here. In many cases, there is the

Moleski: /* How Moderation Is Supposed to Work */

2010-07-06T14:19:43Z

How Moderation Is Supposed to Work

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	== How Moderation Is Supposed to Work ==		== How Moderation Is Supposed to Work ==
	* A new post is sent via the News Net Transfer Protocol (NNTP) to a news server.		* A new post is sent via the News Net Transfer Protocol (NNTP) to a news server.
	* IF it is correctly configured, the news server sees the group is moderated, and relays the post via e-mail to [[~~:faqs:isc_archives~~ ISC.org]] via the Simple Mail Transfer Protocol (SMTP).		* IF it is correctly configured, the news server sees the group is moderated, and relays the post via e-mail to [[ISC\|ISC.org]] via the Simple Mail Transfer Protocol (SMTP).
	* ISC.org sends the message via SMTP to the email (SMTP) address used by the moderator(s).		* ISC.org sends the message via SMTP to the email (SMTP) address used by the moderator(s).
	* The email server passes the post to the moderator(s) or the moderation software.		* The email server passes the post to the moderator(s) or the moderation software.

Moleski: /* The B8MB may also in rare and unusual circumstances change the moderator(s) of a newsgroup. */

2010-07-06T14:19:15Z

The B8MB may also in rare and unusual circumstances change the moderator(s) of a newsgroup.

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	== The B8MB may also in rare and unusual circumstances change the moderator(s) of a newsgroup. ==		== The B8MB may also in rare and unusual circumstances change the moderator(s) of a newsgroup. ==
	* The easy case is when the group has been abandoned. See the page on [[~~mvi~~ Moderator Vacancy Investigations]].		* The easy case is when the group has been abandoned. See the page on [[Moderator Vacancy Investigations]].
	* The hard cases are, at present, undefined.		* The hard cases are, at present, undefined.

Moleski: Created page with '== Newsgroups may be changed: == ;From moderated to unmoderated. :This change may be initiated by members of the group or by the B8MB when a moderated group has been abandoned. …'

2010-07-06T14:18:51Z

Created page with '== Newsgroups may be changed: == ;From moderated to unmoderated. :This change may be initiated by members of the group or by the B8MB when a moderated group has been abandoned. …'

New page

== Newsgroups may be changed: ==

;From moderated to unmoderated.
:This change may be initiated by members of the group or by the B8MB when a moderated group has been abandoned.

;From unmoderated to moderated.
:Changing a group from unmoderated to moderated is "strongly discouraged" - which, in practice, means "practically impossible."
** There are many News Service Providers who would not make the change. Some people would see a moderated group, others with different NSPs would see the moderated version.
** Such changes in the past have cultivated massive resentments. Leaving the original group intact and creating a companion moderated group allows group members to have a choice between the two different kinds of newsgroups on the same topic.
** In all likelihood, the board won't even publish an RFD to change a group from unmoderated to moderated. A proposal for such a change should not be submitted unless the group finds a way to demonstrate virtual unanimity. We '''strongly recommend''' that you instead spend your effort on learning how to use filters or how to create a moderated companion to the original group.
** Examples of change from unmoderated to moderated:[http://groups.google.com/group/news.groups/msg/3e189abacbfb8d7?hl=en *]
<pre>
I think the RFD's for most are here. In many cases, there is the
original RFD for the unmoderated group, and the RFD for the switch to
a moderation a year or two later.

ftp:''ftp.isc.org/pub/usenet/news.announce.newgroups

comp.ai (cross-posting, spam, noise)
comp.compression.research ("research" not magic token)
comp.infosystems.www.authoring.cgi (robomoderated)
comp.lang.asm.x86 (flame wars - 68000 is too better)
comp.lang.visual (confusion - MS Visual Basic)
comp.programming.literate (confusion - programming literacy)
comp.protocols.dns.ops (renamed comp.protocols.tcp-ip.domains)
comp.std.c++ (confusion - c++ rather than standardization)
comp.windows.news (confusion - news about MS-Windows)
misc.business.facilitators (confusion - Ponzi scheme business)
news.newusers.questions (disorganized)
rec.arts.comics.creative (off-topic swamps low volume)
rec.crafts.jewelry (off topic/commercial)
rec.games.mecha (flame-wars)
rec.music.makers.guitar.tablature (noise, non-tabs)
sci.aeronautics (noise)
soc.culture.indian.telugu (robo-moderate cross-posts)
soc.genealogy.african (offensive, racist trolling)
soc.support.pregnancy.loss (inflamatory/trolling)
talk.origins (excessive cross-posting)</pre>

== The B8MB may also in rare and unusual circumstances change the moderator(s) of a newsgroup. ==
* The easy case is when the group has been abandoned. See the page on [[mvi Moderator Vacancy Investigations]].
* The hard cases are, at present, undefined.

== How Moderation Is Supposed to Work ==
* A new post is sent via the News Net Transfer Protocol (NNTP) to a news server.
* IF it is correctly configured, the news server sees the group is moderated, and relays the post via e-mail to [[:faqs:isc_archives ISC.org]] via the Simple Mail Transfer Protocol (SMTP).
* ISC.org sends the message via SMTP to the email (SMTP) address used by the moderator(s).
* The email server passes the post to the moderator(s) or the moderation software.
* If the post is approved, either automatically by software or by a human decision, the "approved" header is added to the post.
* The post is then injected via NNTP into a news server, which then shares it with its peers.

== Jim Riley's Surveys of Moderated Group Acitivity ==

Jim has done a number of surveys of the traffic activity in moderated Big-8 newsgroups.

[http://groups.google.com/groups?q=group%3Anews.groups+insubject%3A%22Moderated+insubject%3AGroup+insubject%3AActivity%22+author%3A%22Jim+author%3ARiley%22&start=0&scoring=d&num=10&hl=en&lr=&as_drrb=q&as_mind=1&as_minm=1&as_miny=1981&as_maxd=26&as_maxm=3&as_maxy=2006&safe=off&^ Google news.groups for the surveys]