Nan:2010-05-05-lcc-sci.psychology.psychotherapy.moderated

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From: Big-8 Management Board <board@big-8.org>
Subject: RFD sci.psychology.psychotherapy.moderated (remove) LAST CALL FOR COMMENTS
Date: Wed, 5 May 2010 15:44:05 EDT
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This is a formal Request for Discussion (RFD) to remove the
moderated newsgroup sci.psychology.psychotherapy.moderated.

Newsgroups Line:
Practice of psychotherapy.  Moderated

Distribution:
    news.announce.newgroups
    news.groups.proposals
    sci.psychology.psychotherapy.moderated
    sci.psychology.psychotherapy

Proponent: Tim McNamara <timmcn@bitstream.net> (one of eight  
moderators).

Charter:

Overview: Sci.psychology.psychotherapy.moderated (hereinafter "sppm")
exists as a forum for the discussion of psychotherapy. Anyone with an
interest in such discussion is welcome. This would include practitioners
of all types (psychologists, psychiatrists, marriage/family counselors,
social workers, etc.), students of therapy, and therapy clientele.

Appropriate and Inappropriate Posts: Some examples of topics
appropriate for discussion in sppm include (but are not limited to) the
following:

* a particular type of psychotherapy (e.g., cognitive-behavioral,
psychodynamic), or a comparison between two types. There will be no
restrictions on the types of therapeutic modalities that are appropriate
for discussion -- save for treatments that seem to have no obvious
connection to psychology (e.g., palm-reading, crystals). The latter will
not be accepted, unless a clear, plausible connection to psychology is
made.

* a particular psychological disorder (e.g., depression, eating
disorder)

* a particular psychological theory (e.g., object relations theory,
learning theory), as it relates to the material of therapy

* research relevant to psychotherapy

* psychopharmacological (drug) or other biological treatments, as they
relate to psychotherapy

* diagnostic issues

* therapist training and supervision

* ethical issues faced by therapists

* trends in practice (e.g., emerging or alternative modalities)

* the relationship between psychotherapy and other fields of inquiry
such as philosophy or religion (as long as the discussion remains
focused on psychotherapy)

* career issues (e.g., establishing a private practice, coping with
managed care) * business related directly to psychotherapy (e.g.,
employment opportunities, equipment for sale)

* case studies (if and only if client anonymity is ensured)

* announcements and reports of meetings, conferences, and newsletters,
including those put out by self-help organizations (please consider
posting or cross-posting these to sci.psychology.announce, however)

* requests for information about a specific problem. However, those
looking for exchanges characteristic of a support group should seek out
an actual support group, as sppm was not designed to serve that  
function.

The following are inappropriate for sppm, and posts containing them will
be rejected:

* personal attacks, including allegations of professional misconduct
(the latter should be brought to the attention of the appropriate
authorities)

* discussions which wander far from the topic of psychotherapy
(including spam)

* cross-posting to groups outside of the psychology topic area, unless
the reason for crossposting is evident (e.g., cross-posting to a sci.med
group when drug therapy is being discussed). Responses may be made to
the same groups or a subset thereof without further justification.

* gross violations of netiquette. These may include, for example,
excessive repetition -- defined as more than 90% quoted material, or
posting more frequently than once per month an article with more than
90% unchanged text (moderators may change these value in the future, if
they find them to be unsatisfactory) -- or chronic misattribution of
quoted text.


Rationale for removal:

sci.psychology.psychotherapy.moderated has had very little relevant 
traffic for the past 2 1/4 years.  There were 15 posts in 2008, 9 
posts in 2009 and 0 posts to date in 2010.  Perhaps 1/3 to 1/2 of 
these recent posts have been forge-approved spam.

Of the eight moderators, three have e-mail addresses that no longer 
work. Internal discussion among the moderators in late 2009 resulted 
in three of the moderators agreeing that the newsgroup no longer 
serves a purpose and the others remaining silent.  On 2010-03-17 I 
sent a copy of the RFD to all the moderators and received no reply 
from any of them.  It seems to me that the newsgroup and moderator 
system is pretty much defunct.  Posting of the RFD resulted in no 
comments by any of the moderation team other than myself.

The response to the RFD was 7 replies: one against removing the 
group, one for removal (other than myself) and the rest general 
discussion but trending towards removal.

On 2010-03-29 I received an e-mail from Kimberly Barnard, one of the 
moderators, stating "I agree that the group should be removed. I
would also like to see sppm removed as it is nothing but a spam
trap."

As of 2010-05-04 the last post to s.p.p.m was 34 days ago and was 
part of the RFD discussion.  More than thirty days having passed 
since the posting of the RFD for removal, I am submitting a request 
for final discussion.


History of the Group:

sci.psychology.psychotherapy.moderated was proposed by John M. 
Grohol PsyD in response to chronic problems with certain abusive 
posters to sci.psychology.psychotherapy.  The newsgroup was created 
08/22/1997 and has had 2,240 posts in that time; there have been 24 
posts in the past 27 months, perhaps 1/3 to 1/2 of those being 
forge-approved spam.


Procedure:

Those who wish to comment on this request to remove this newsgroup 
should subscribe to news:news.groups.proposals and participate in 
the relevant threads in that newsgroup.

To this end, the followup header of this RFD has been set to
news.groups.proposals.

All discussion of active proposals should be posted to
news.groups.proposals.

If desired by the readership of closely affected groups, the 
discussion may be crossposted to those groups, but care must be 
taken to ensure that all discussion appears in 
news.groups.proposals as well.

Please refer to the newsgroup removal policies listed here:

        http://www.big-8.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=policies:rmgroup

All discussion of active proposals should be posted to
news.groups.proposals.

To this end, the followup header of this RFD has been set to
news.groups.proposals.

If desired by the readership of closely affected groups, the 
discussion may be crossposted to those groups, but care should be 
taken to ensure that all discussion appears in news.groups.proposals 
as well.

The final comment period lasts for five (5) days from the
time that this RFD is posted.


History of this RFD:

First proposal by Tim McNamara 2010-03-17, submitted to the
sci.psychology.psychotherapy.moderated moderator's mailing list.

Second proposal by Tim McNamara  2010-03-27, rejected due to needed
corrections in the RFD.

Third proposal by Tim McNamara 2010-03-29 with corrections.

Request for final discussion by Tim McNamara 2010-05-04.

Last call for comments 2010-05-05 by the Big Eight Management Board.
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