From: Tim Skirvin <>
Subject: RFD: bulk creation of "obvious" groups
Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups, news.groups.proposals
Followup-To: news.groups.proposals
Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2007 13:21:45 -0500

                      REQUEST FOR DISCUSSION (RFD)
                   bulk creation of "obvious" groups

This is a formal Request For Discussion (RFD) for the bulk creation of several 
Usenet newsgroups, as listed below:

NEWSGROUPS:		Cellular telephones		Apple's iPhone		Voice-over-IP telephones		Open-source Voice-over-IP package		Which blog is best?		LJ blogging service and software		Blogging service and software		Search, Gmail, Groups, Maps, Picasa, etc		Student social networking		Teenage social networking		Wikis, such as Wikipedia
comp.sys.antique		Computer hardware through the ages		Safety Racing		Television comedies		Sid Meier's world-building series
rec.arts.anime.naruto		Adventures from a Ninja Academy		Television situational comedies		The Office, both US and UK Version		Damages		Pushing Daisies		The Colbert Nation		Fox News' The O'Reilly Factor		Massive Multi-Player Online Role-Playing Games		World of Warcraft		Portable media players		Apple's iPod media players		Streaming music over the Internet		Microsoft XBox360 console		Sony PS3 comsole		Nintendo Wii gaming console		Nintendo DS portable system

RATIONALE: bulk creation of "obvious" groups

The last few weeks/months have seen very little discussion of proposals of
any kind.  Rather than worry about the "why" of this, I would like to
experiment with a new, "bulk" creation of newsgroups that are clearly
"obvious", but do not have formal proponents or specific charters, and are
uniformly unmoderated.  The above-listed groups were taken from several
discussions of this topic, and are not exhaustive (nor, necessarily,
"obvious"); further suggestions are encouraged.

This is not yet a formal process!  Please participate in the discussion
in news.groups.proposals both to discuss the groups listed above, and the
policy decisions that stem from even discussing this kind of bulk creation.


This newsgroup was created as part of a trial "bulk creation" newsgroup
process, in which "obvious" newsgroups are created without specific proponents
or charters.  If the group is not used within the next 18 months, it will be
removed.  For more information, please refer to the FAQs posted in

Advertising, spam, and excessive crossposting are prohibited.  Messages must
be plain text only (no HTML, pictures or other binaries) with the exception
of X-Face headers or PGP-type signatures.  Posts should be on-topic for the
name of the group, subject to future interpretation by the overall group


For more information on the newsgroup creation process, please see:

Those who wish to influence the development of this RFD and its final
resolution should subscribe to news.groups.proposals and participate in the
relevant threads in that newsgroup.  This is both a courtesy to groups in
which discussion of creating a new group is off-topic as well as the best
method of making sure that one's comments or criticisms are heard.

All discussion of active proposals should be posted to news.groups.proposals.
To this end, the 'Followup-To' header of this RFD has been set to this group.

If desired by the readership of closely affected groups, the discussion
may be crossposted to those groups, but care must be taken to ensure
that all discussion appears in news.groups.proposals as well.

We urge those who would like to read or post in the proposed newsgroup
to make a comment to that effect in this thread; we ask proponents to
keep a list of such positive posts with the relevant message ID
(e.g., Barney Fife, <>).
Such lists of positive feedback for the proposal may constitute good
evidence that the group will be well-used if it is created.


This document has been posted to the following newsgroups:

  news.announce.newgroups (moderated)
  news.groups.proposals (moderated)


Tim Skirvin <>


2007-09-14     1st RFD