From: Jim Riley <>
Subject: RFD: remove soc.culture.pakistan.history moderated
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan, soc.culture.pakistan.history,
 news.announce.newgroups, news.groups.proposals
Followup-To: news.groups.proposals
Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2007 11:15:31 -0500

                      REQUEST FOR DISCUSSION (RFD)
                  remove soc.culture.pakistan.history

This is a formal Request For Discussion (RFD) to remove the moderated
newsgroup soc.culture.pakistan.history.

RATIONALE: remove soc.culture.pakistan.history

Note: There are separate RFD's proposing the removal of
soc.culture.pakistan.moderated,, and
soc.culture.pakistan.history.  It is not necessary that all 3 groups
share the same fate.  It is conceivable that one group be removed, one
converted to an unmoderated status, and one assigned a new moderator.

The last approved article submitted to soc.culture.pakistan.history
occured in July 1997.  Over the next two years, there were about a
dozen approved articles cross-posted across the entire
soc.culture.pakistan hierarchy that were not specific to
soc.culture.pakistan.history. There also were continued posting of
FAQ's and similar materials.

If soc.culture.pakistan.history were removed, discussion of the
history of Pakistan could occur in the unmoderated
soc.culture.pakistan (SCP), and where topical, in the unmoderated
SCP.politics, SCP.religion, and SCP.sports.

Alternatives include:

(1) Removal of soc.culture.pakistan.history.

(2) Assignment of a new moderator.  It may be feasible to simply block
cross-posts and do spam filtering.

(3) Convert the group to an unmoderated status.  Because of its
sometimes volatile relations with neighboring states such as India and
Bangladesh (former East Pakistan), an unmoderated group may simply be
another group to include in a cross-posted thread that is disruptive
to the other groups.  It should also be noted that the group was
chartered to be an academic forum.

If the group is converted to an unmoderated status, an effort will
need to be made to get servers throughout the world to recognize the
change.  To this end, facilitators should be appointed, who can inform
users of the switch, encourage ISP's and NSP's to switch.  Errant
submissions should be directed to the facilitators so that they can
see that they are posted to the newsgroup.


The newsgroup soc.culture.pakistan.history was created in June 1996 as
part of a re-organization of the soc.culture.pakistan (SCP) hierarchy
that included creation of the moderated groups SCP.moderated,, and SCP.history; and the unmoderated groups
SCP.politics, SCP.religion, and SCP.sports.  The re-organization
required about 9 months, including a re-vote due to irregularites
during the first CFV.

The newsgroup soc.culture.pakistan was created in March 1990.  There
was a proposal to convert the group to a moderated status in February
1991, but it never proceeded to a vote.

During the one year active period of soc.culture.pakistan.history from
June 1996 to July 1997, there were roughly 50 threads per month.

The last approvals specific to soc.culture.pakistan.history were in
July 1997.  There were about a dozen approvals widely cross-posted
across the soc.culture.pakistan hierarchy the following year.  In
addition, there were continued posting of FAQ's and other guidelines
that continued through 2006.


The newsgroup line is:

soc.culture.pakistan.history	History of Pakistan.

The charter (extracted from the CFV):

The creation of Pakistan and its independence from the British on
August 14, 1947 was result of a long struggle.  Many people played a
vital and pivotal role in the creation of Pakistan, and in its initial
development.  The history of Pakistan is marked with sacrifices of
hundreds and thousands of people.  This academic forum is meant for
discussions and info on events which led to the creation of Pakistan.
It does not exclude any history since independence till present.
Moderation is suggested for this topic which requires serious and
in-depth discussions.


The full group removal procedure is documented here:

Those who wish to comment on this request to remove this newsgroup should
subscribe to news.groups.proposals and participate in the relevant threads 
in that newsgroup.

To this end, the followup header of this RFD has been set to 

All discussion of active proposals should be posted to news.groups.proposals.

If desired by the readership of closely affected groups, the discussion
may be crossposted to those groups, but care must be taken to ensure that
all discussion appears in news.groups.proposals as well.


This document has been posted to the following newsgroups:


The proponent will also post pointers to:



Jim Riley <>


2007-04-14     1st RFD